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<DIV>Civil disobedience is not new nor is it morally corrupt. Roland's only requirement while acting in violation of generally accepted provisions of regulations is to willingly accept punishment for his actions. To my knowledge there is no legitmacy to the regs. you cite. Because there is no generally accepted body politic to adopt them. In the end this illigitmacy is proven by the fact of the absence of policing or enforcement. Certainly no one can argue that a "legitimate" regulation cannot be enforced. Therefor if the regulation cannot be enforced it is not legitimate.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 6/27/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <I><jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN might name former DHS cybersecurity bossitspresident?<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Roland Perry" <roland@internetpolicyagency.com>, "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>, "icann board" <icann-board@icann.org>, "icann legal" <jeffrey@icann.org>, "Peter Dambier" <peter@peter-dambier.de>, "DHS info" <info@us-cert.gov>, "DHS cert" <cert@cert.org>, "ICANN SSAC Dave Piscitello" <dave.piscitello@icann.org>, "DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep" <aheineman@ntia.doc.gov><BR>Cc: "ICANN Dan Halloran" <halloran@icann.org>, "ICANN SSAC Dave Piscitello" <dave.piscitello@icann.org>, "matthias.langenegger@icann.org" <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>, "FTC OIG's office" <OIG@ftc.gov><BR>Date: Saturday, June 27,
2009, 11:05 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Roeland and all,<BR><BR> The problem with your statement below is that far too often, the<BR>regs in place are superseded by new regs that are usually, but not<BR>always worse then the original regs, and declared by some entity<BR>or group of folks claiming that they are the "Right Regs".<BR><BR> I also see that your Domain Names DNS doesn't exactly follow<BR>the IETF "Regs", see:<BR><A href="http://www.dnsstuff.com/dnslite/?r=toolspage&domain=internetpolicyagency.com" target=_blank>http://www.dnsstuff.com/dnslite/?r=toolspage&domain=internetpolicyagency.com</A><BR>and<BR><A href="http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport?domain=internetpolicyagency.com&token=1220f237cecd71a204d41192389c701a" target=_blank>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport?domain=internetpolicyagency.com&token=1220f237cecd71a204d41192389c701a</A><BR><BR>So which is it? Do the RFC "Regs" of which you DNS config. violates<BR>not
apply to you? ( in one case only can I see this as being applicable ) or<BR>are these RFC "Regs" wrong and so therefore you can feel justified in<BR>violating them as a result?<BR><BR> Regs if done properly and vetted fully, openly and transparently,<BR>should apply to everyone, not just some as long as those regs<BR>are within their area of endeavor of course. But it is good to know<BR>that you don't ascribe to such as didn't and doesn't ICANN, which<BR>remains one of several of it's main failings to this day.<BR><BR>Roland Perry wrote:<BR><BR>> In message <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=159471.65531.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:159471.65531.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com">159471.65531.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com</A>>, at 15:40:41 on<BR>> Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Eric Dierker <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net"
ymailto="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</A>> writes<BR>><BR>> >So it is safe to say that in your work helping others to navigate around<BR>> >the regulations caused maze of doing business your prefer the straight<BR>> >forward technique of total compliance with the regs rather avoidance?<BR>><BR>> I don't usually help people "work around" the regs. My primary aim is<BR>> to make sure the regs which are put in place are the right ones; and<BR>> once in place that they are used as effectively as possible to hinder<BR>> the bad guys. But I do spend quite some time telling people why certain<BR>> regulations don't apply[1] to them, were never intended to apply to<BR>> them; which isn't quite the same as avoiding the regs.<BR>><BR>> [1] Often manifested by authorities claiming powers they don't actually<BR>> have, or ignoring safeguards that should have inhibited
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