<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Unfortunately a few fools don't really see the problem here.<br><br>Child porn is a serious problem and restricting access to it is not about protecting children directly, it's about stopping paedophiles from accessing child porn. Children may benefit by stopping abuse.<br><br>To use the argument that blocking child pornography is ineffective is nonsensical. People still speed in cars yet there are laws against speeding. It certainly changes behaviour though.<br><br>However given the childish arguments put forward by people like Dambier, I wouldn't expect there to be much knowledge on such issues.<br><br>The issue is how far does such a list such as proposed by the German government, and also the Australian government, go. If
it's used to block content such as child porn, great. If it goes further, then it's a problem.<br><br>Of course, other uninformed and nonsenical arguments such as put forward by Baptista that "If you want to protect children - legislate them off the Internet" are pathetic.<br><br>I'd love to know where Baptista's evidence is that the amount of child porn being produced is on the decline. How would you know?<br><br>Oh well, I guess expecting an understanding of the issues involved is just too much to be expected by those who have previously contributed to the debate.<br><br>David<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Sylvia Caras <sylvia.caras@gmail.com><br><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 18 June, 2009 10:14:10 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] The dawning of Internet censorship in Germany<br></font><br>Filters and children equals Bullshit.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Sylvia Caras <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sylvia.caras@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sylvia.caras@gmail.com">sylvia.caras@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I send an alert about this to a colleague of mine who does human<br>
rights advocacy in Germany. Her reply very strongly supports the<br>
filter, that protecting children from abuse trumps any other<br>
interests.</blockquote><div><br>Filters don't protect children from abuse. Thats a nonsense argument. If you want to protect children - legislate them off the Internet.<br><br>I personally think no child should have access to the Internet until they are 18 and older. If they have to be 18 or older to see a dirty movie in a theater then the same should apply to the Internet - the biggest access point on the planet for fine filth and quality porn.<br>
<br>This whole child porn thing is eventually going to blow up in our faces. People who make pornos about children are on the decline. However children making child porn is well on the rise. And the demand by children for child porn is on the rise due to the ease of distribution the Internet makes available to them.<br>
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I was surprised in Athens at how strong the 'save the children'<br>
presence was. I felt like one issue, information freedom, had been<br>
co-opted by another, protection and that the field was not at all<br>
level.</blockquote><div><br><br>Your absolutely right. I say save the children once and for all. No need for filters - which have little to do with protecting children and everything to do with protecting government interests. Just pass a few laws to keep the little whipper snappers off the net and you solve the problem once an for all time.<br>
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