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color=#0000ff size=2>Bill, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>the disconnect is that NN is not "part of" NGN; on the
contrary NGN is a trend that runs counter to it. Your phrasing was confusing.
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color=#0000ff size=2>There's no resistance here to "assessing the potential
impacts of trends in the telecom industry..." on the contrary, this is why we
proposed and offered to organize an NN panel and why IGP introduced NN into the
global IG debate two years ago. So please, climb down from that hobby horse.
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<P><FONT size=2>Milton Mueller<BR>Professor, Syracuse University School of
Information Studies<BR>XS4All Professor, Delft University of
Technology<BR>------------------------------<BR>Internet Governance
Project:<BR><A
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> William Drake
[mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 08,
2009 3:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Milton L Mueller<BR><B>Cc:</B> Governance
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] IGC workshops<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi Milton,
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<DIV>Not sure what the disconnect is here. NGN is a term used in
industry and policy circles world wide to characterize the shift underway from
PSTNs to IP-based convergent nets with new architectures and service
provisioning models. An important part of those new models, if the
carriers get their way, is to abandon NN, ergo my characterization of the
issues as part and parcel of the NGN shift. Some observers say that
NGNs could provide the technical means to monitor and manage traffic in
such a manner that all applications are treated on a nondiscriminatory basis,
but that doesn't appear the to be preference of the carriers making the
investments. And they're getting their way in various places;
governments like the UK's have specifically rejected NN as a barrier to NGN
development. So I was simply suggesting we might want to consider NN in
the context of the larger transformation underway.</DIV>
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<DIV>I've moaned here on and off for years about the apparent aversion to
assessing the potential impacts of trends in the telecom industry, including
its global governance, on the Internet and IG. It really puzzles me that
we would treat a katrillion dollar industry that controls much of the
underlying infrastructure as somehow irrelevant, particularly after all the
(semi-coherent) discussions of international interconnection charging and such
in WSIS and beyond. The singular obsession with ICANN---not so much what
ICANN actually does, the issues it addresses, but rather what it is or
represents institutionally---seems to blot out interest in other issues and
leaves the ministries and industry to merrily go there way without any public
interest advocacy as a countervailing force beyond purely national
discussions. Since we can't or don't participate in most of the
international spaces where this stuff goes on, why would we not want to use
the opportunities provided by the IGF to explore these dynamics, especially
when they're directly relevant to the focus of the workshop?</DIV>
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<DIV>Whatever...dead horse duly beaten, back to our regular
programming...</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:</DIV><BR
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">No, I just
misunderstood your statement that Net Neutrality is “part and parcel” of the
NGN trajectory. What you apparently mean is that phone companies may be
using NGN to _avoid_ being neutral, which may be true, and is certainly
important if it is. I still don’t know what you meant by “…of which it is
part and parcel.”<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">William
Drake</ST1:PERSONNAME><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
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PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">Milton L
Mueller</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [governance] IGC
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Milton,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Jun 7, 2009,
at 4:49 PM,<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">Milton L Mueller</ST1:PERSONNAME><SPAN
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I agree. We might want to
consider widening the lens an little and placing NN in the context of the
whole NGN trajectory, of which it is part and
parcel.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV><U1:P></U1:P>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is???? I hope
not. That’s a peculiarly Geneva-centric view of
NN<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=black size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Are you saying
that carriers around the world are not in fact making the investments and
pursuing the strategies they say they are---replacing PSTNs with IP core and
access nets, trying to move to QOS and differentiation, etc? Or that
because they adopt the standards and coordinate on the policies in<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Geneva</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, it doesn't matter that they are
doing these things? Or that because in<SPAN
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w:st="on">Geneva</ST1:CITY> they use terminology they may not use as
much in the<SPAN
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doesn't matter that they are doing these things? Or that taking note of the
global trends is suspect if one is based in<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Geneva</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>? Or...? Perhaps a
peculiarly US-centric view of NN at work
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But forget the
term, forget the ITU. The question is, in the IGF context, would it be
optimal to continue talking about NN as a stand-alone issue, or might it be
useful to view it as part of a larger set of dynamics in the telecom
industry that could affect the net going
forward?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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