Hello Ian<br><br>I am in, with the suggestion that para 2, "some of us believe this, some that" needs to changed something gentle such as "though there isn't an absolute consensus, the predominant opinion is in favor of ending the JPA"<br>
<br>I don't get the impression that there is a pro-JPA opinion in this list. My inference is that there are some concerns about ICANN's readiness. Such concerns could be addressed perhaps by the suggestion of a transition arrangement - an arrangement for an interim period of a year or so, when a joint oversight team of civil society and ten or twelve governments, perhaps even a panel of jury together overseeing the transition to ensure that ICANN would be efficient and fair when fully independant.<br>
<br>There has been enough of extensions. <style type="text/css">!--
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the JPA because “doing so would cause instability in the DNS”
. and it may really be wating for institutional confidence to improve. That is a process that does not happen overnight, and one can eternally argue that it is not enough. <br><br>There shouldn't be any ambiguity in the IGC statement on whether or not the JPA should be ended Lets say that it should be ended. And perhaps suggest a transition period of a year, with a new transition arrangement, which is also to be a time bound arrangement. <br>
<br>Para 2 as it is makes the IGC look very weak.<br>
<br>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
One additional add on to my last message - the following text -<br>
<br>
<br>
Irrespective of when the JPA actually ends however, the IGC believes that it<br>
should be replaced by a new global, multistakeholder accountability<br>
framework, the development of which should commence in early 2010 (I would<br>
prefer : "as soon as possible"), in an open, transparent and inclusive<br>
process."<br>
<br>
<br>
So the newly included text would read<br>
<div class="im"><br>
The IGC firmly believes that global co-operation will be enhanced by a<br>
transition beyond the JPA to a situation where all stakeholders feel that<br>
they have equitable arrangements for participation, that ICANN is subject<br>
to due process procedures and is accountable to all stakeholders. Therefore,<br>
the IGC believes that merely extending the current JPA arrangement is not a<br>
lasting viable solution.<br>
<br>
Some of us believe the JPA should be ended now, as it is an ineffective<br>
mechanism to deal with the problems that must be resolved to place ICANN on<br>
a viable long-term path forward. On the other hand, some of us believe that<br>
a time-limited extension of the JPA might be the<br>
most effective means to ensure that ICANN does take on board necessary<br>
changes.<br>
<br>
</div>Irrespective of when the JPA actually ends however, the IGC believes that it<br>
should be replaced by a new global, multistakeholder accountability<br>
framework, the development of which should commence as soon as possible in<br>
an open, transparent and inclusive process.<br>
<br>
What do you all think ? In or out?<br>
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Ian<br>
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On 4/06/09 5:22 AM, "Ian Peter" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I think by now it must be obvious to anyone who is reading as well as<br>
> writing that there are strongly held opinions on both sides of this argument<br>
> - but also that, on both sides, people feel there is a danger for IGC to<br>
> express the other side!<br>
><br>
> Which is why I dropped the text altogether, and that still may be the only<br>
> way forward. However, for one last try to get something we are happy to say<br>
> about JPA, how does this sit.<br>
><br>
> The IGC firmly believes that global co-operation will be enhanced by a<br>
> transition beyond the JPA to a situation where all stakeholders feel that<br>
> they have equitable arrangements for participation, that ICANN is subject<br>
> to due process procedures and is accountable to all stakeholders. Therefore,<br>
> the IGC believes that merely extending the current JPA arrangement is not a<br>
> lasting viable solution.<br>
><br>
> Some of us believe the JPA should be ended now, as it is an ineffective<br>
> mechanism to deal with the problems that must be resolved to place ICANN on<br>
> a viable long-term path forward. On the other hand, some of us believe that<br>
> a time-limited extension of the JPA might be the<br>
> most effective means to ensure that ICANN does take on board necessary<br>
> changes.<br>
><br>
> Irrespective of .....(etc - back to principles text here)<br>
><br>
> What do you think? Will that work, and are we better off with or without<br>
> this additional text?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 4/06/09 4:57 AM, "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette@wzb.eu> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Sorry but I disagree. While I recognized that the IANA contract provides<br>
>> another leverage that could be used to get some form of external<br>
>> accountability framework established, I don't see why this implies that<br>
>> one should the JPA expire just like that. I firmly believe that external<br>
>> accountability is necessary for ICANN, and I havn't changed my mind on<br>
>> that. The fact that the US industry has other reasons to opt for an<br>
>> extension also won't change my mind.<br>
>><br>
>> jeanette<br>
>><br>
>> Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
>>> This is an illogical position. No meaningful changes can take place<br>
>>> before the JPA ends (in three months!). If you want the US not to let<br>
>>> go before meaningful accountability mechanisms are in place, then<br>
>>> talk about the IANA contract. That focuses people's minds.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Hofmann<br>
>>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu">jeanette@wzb.eu</a>]<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The point is not whether or not JPA provides accountability. The<br>
>>>> point is to replace the JPA by something that promises to provide<br>
>>>> accountability - and, AFAIAC, to get this something in place before<br>
>>>> the JPA ends.<br>
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