I like this revision.<br><br>Carlton Samuels<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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One additional add on to my last message - the following text -<br>
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Irrespective of when the JPA actually ends however, the IGC believes that it<br>
should be replaced by a new global, multistakeholder accountability<br>
framework, the development of which should commence in early 2010 (I would<br>
prefer : "as soon as possible"), in an open, transparent and inclusive<br>
process."<br>
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So the newly included text would read<br>
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The IGC firmly believes that global co-operation will be enhanced by a<br>
transition beyond the JPA to a situation where all stakeholders feel that<br>
they have equitable arrangements for participation, that ICANN is subject<br>
to due process procedures and is accountable to all stakeholders. Therefore,<br>
the IGC believes that merely extending the current JPA arrangement is not a<br>
lasting viable solution.<br>
<br>
Some of us believe the JPA should be ended now, as it is an ineffective<br>
mechanism to deal with the problems that must be resolved to place ICANN on<br>
a viable long-term path forward. On the other hand, some of us believe that<br>
a time-limited extension of the JPA might be the<br>
most effective means to ensure that ICANN does take on board necessary<br>
changes.<br>
<br>
</div>Irrespective of when the JPA actually ends however, the IGC believes that it<br>
should be replaced by a new global, multistakeholder accountability<br>
framework, the development of which should commence as soon as possible in<br>
an open, transparent and inclusive process.<br>
<br>
What do you all think ? In or out?<br>
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Ian<br>
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On 4/06/09 5:22 AM, "Ian Peter" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I think by now it must be obvious to anyone who is reading as well as<br>
> writing that there are strongly held opinions on both sides of this argument<br>
> - but also that, on both sides, people feel there is a danger for IGC to<br>
> express the other side!<br>
><br>
> Which is why I dropped the text altogether, and that still may be the only<br>
> way forward. However, for one last try to get something we are happy to say<br>
> about JPA, how does this sit.<br>
><br>
> The IGC firmly believes that global co-operation will be enhanced by a<br>
> transition beyond the JPA to a situation where all stakeholders feel that<br>
> they have equitable arrangements for participation, that ICANN is subject<br>
> to due process procedures and is accountable to all stakeholders. Therefore,<br>
> the IGC believes that merely extending the current JPA arrangement is not a<br>
> lasting viable solution.<br>
><br>
> Some of us believe the JPA should be ended now, as it is an ineffective<br>
> mechanism to deal with the problems that must be resolved to place ICANN on<br>
> a viable long-term path forward. On the other hand, some of us believe that<br>
> a time-limited extension of the JPA might be the<br>
> most effective means to ensure that ICANN does take on board necessary<br>
> changes.<br>
><br>
> Irrespective of .....(etc - back to principles text here)<br>
><br>
> What do you think? Will that work, and are we better off with or without<br>
> this additional text?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 4/06/09 4:57 AM, "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette@wzb.eu> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Sorry but I disagree. While I recognized that the IANA contract provides<br>
>> another leverage that could be used to get some form of external<br>
>> accountability framework established, I don't see why this implies that<br>
>> one should the JPA expire just like that. I firmly believe that external<br>
>> accountability is necessary for ICANN, and I havn't changed my mind on<br>
>> that. The fact that the US industry has other reasons to opt for an<br>
>> extension also won't change my mind.<br>
>><br>
>> jeanette<br>
>><br>
>> Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
>>> This is an illogical position. No meaningful changes can take place<br>
>>> before the JPA ends (in three months!). If you want the US not to let<br>
>>> go before meaningful accountability mechanisms are in place, then<br>
>>> talk about the IANA contract. That focuses people's minds.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Hofmann<br>
>>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu">jeanette@wzb.eu</a>]<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The point is not whether or not JPA provides accountability. The<br>
>>>> point is to replace the JPA by something that promises to provide<br>
>>>> accountability - and, AFAIAC, to get this something in place before<br>
>>>> the JPA ends.<br>
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