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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David Goldstein wrote :</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><I'd suggest you are unaware of how the EU operates></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please let Europeans comment freely on THEIR
matters. I can assure you, Francis and WE know how our institutions should
operate. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for me, I 'm just back from the EP sitting and
that was quite an interesting day since the morning was spent to the telecom
packet debate with no less than four reports on the agenda. Once more, the MEPs
of any obedience criticized the absence of the Commission since only Mrs Reding
attended the sitting. As for the Council there was nobody ! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Further I can assure all our list members that
the MEPs or their attachés I happened to meet today are angry about the
to-morrow Hearing : held in Brussels during the EP plenary session at Strasbourg
it's like a provocation by the Commission, especially when one considers
that ten days before there was another hearing on the same theme organized by
the EP ITRE Committee. There is something going wrong among our
institutions ! And it's OUR right to highlight such a
misfunctioning.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For all these reasons WE are fed up to be
considered as ignorants of OUR institutions by some outsiders (remember the
"lessons" given by Roland Perry) . We only try to remind OUR
parliamentarians the committment the EU and its members states have signed in
Geneva and in Tunis, and what they have decided publicly since then. Further, we
ask OUR political institutions (Commision, Parliament and Council) a
minimum of respect to the CS -the actual one- and its organizations who are
profoundly engaged in the WSIS follow-up process, WITHOUT ANY COMMERCIAL
INTEREST, and mostly on their own expenses.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jean-Louis Fullsack</FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au
href="mailto:goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au">David Goldstein</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.cpsr.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> ; <A
title=muguet@mdpi.net href="mailto:muguet@mdpi.net">Dr. Francis MUGUET</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=gov@wsis-gov.org
href="mailto:gov@wsis-gov.org">WSIS Civil Soc. WG on Information Networks
Governance</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:45 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AW: [governance] hearing on
Internet Governance arrangements</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Oh
grow up Francis. Just because the EU has an invitation-only event, there's no
need for you to sulk. Why not contact the relevant people yourself and
question them and make some suggestions.<BR><BR>Suggesting there are ulterior
motives when you have no grounds for such except paranoia is going too
far.<BR><BR>I'd suggest you are unaware of how the EU operates, or government
for that matter. Governments regularly consult with people and invite them to
discuss issues. We should be pleased the EU is being open with what they are
doing.<BR><BR>David<BR>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Dr. Francis MUGUET
<muguet@mdpi.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry
<roland@internetpolicyagency.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> WSIS Civil Soc. WG on Information
Networks Governance <gov@wsis-gov.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, 5 May, 2009 11:37:31
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: AW:
[governance] hearing on Internet Governance
arrangements<BR></FONT><BR>Hello<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">In message <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:49FDDECC.5060004@mdpi.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow
ymailto="mailto:49FDDECC.5060004@mdpi.net"><49FDDECC.5060004@mdpi.net></A>,
at 20:13:32 on Sun, 3 May 2009, Dr. Francis MUGUET <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:muguet@mdpi.net" target=_blank
rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:muguet@mdpi.net"><muguet@mdpi.net></A>
writes <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">It appears that the call for those hearings has
not been inclusive, if <BR>not secretive... <BR>EU Commission hearing on
future Internet Governance arrangement ( 06 <BR>May 2009, Brussels,
Belgium ) <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's not a "call", the meeting is invitation
only - which is not itself sinister as the Commission clearly wants to hear
from specific organisations and people firmly established in the IG space
(and attending IGF meetings is a plausible indication of that). If that
doesn't include you, then you should examine why that might be the case.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is twisted non-inclusive arrogant logic, it is not for
the uninvited to examine why they are not invited !!!<BR> but to the
organizers and invited ones to ask questions to themselves.... <BR><BR>For
example, one question is why Louis Pouzin, one the very few
european internet pioneer is not invited...<BR>... but he is invited in
Boston... <BR><BR>I am raising the question why a few lobbyist firms are
invited instead ? <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">For logistical reasons participation is by
invitation only. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>My guess is they couldn't book a
bigger room because there's too many other meetings going on that day.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are too kind<BR>Well, this trick is well known.... this
is quite gross... <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">but the call refers to the Internet Governance
Forum (IGF) ? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The original invitation</BLOCKQUOTE>It
would be interesting if you are kind enough to post the text of this
invitation <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">doesn't mention it at all. This meeting is about IG,
not the IGF - <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>strange... the agenda of the
<BR><FONT class=line><A
href="http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/index_en.htm"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>EU Commission hearing on future Internet Governance
arrangement </A>( 06 May 2009, Brussels, Belgium ) <BR>includes the WSIS in
the first place....<BR>and the WSIS means the IGF !!!<BR><BR></FONT><B>Hearing
on Internet Governance arrangements </B><BR>6 May 2009, 10:00 – 17:15
<BR>Brussels – Charlemagne Building1, Room DURI <BR><BR><BR><I>09:30
Registration & coffee </I><BR>10:00 Introduction by the Commission
<BR>10.30 <FONT color=#ff0000>WSIS </FONT><BR>11.15 Security & stability
<BR>12.00 The role of governments <BR>12.45 Round up morning discussion
<BR><I>13.00 Lunch </I><BR>14.15 Accountability and legitimacy <BR>15.00
Internationalisation of Internet Governance <BR><I>15:45 Coffee break
</I><BR>16:00 Digital divide <BR>16.45 Round up afternoon discussion <BR>17:00
Concluding remarks <BR><BR>*** <BR><B>Theme description </B><BR>1. <FONT
color=#ff0000><B>WSIS</B>: Progress since WSIS- how far are we with the
implementation of WSIS principles? What are the <BR>new challenges, if any,
since WSIS that should be addressed?</FONT> <BR>2. <B>Security &
stability</B> of the Internet remains a key EU priority. What are the main
threats/chal enges? <BR>What should the EU be doing about them in particular
with a view to their international dimension? <BR>3. <B>The role of public
authorities</B>: How should public authorities, in particular governments,
respond to their <BR>responsibilities in view of the importance of the
Internet to our economies and societies? What lessons, <BR>if any, should be
learnt from the "financial crisis" (e.g. should self-regulation for critical
infrastructures <BR>and services be more closely monitored by governments and
relevant public authorities)? To what <BR>extent are private sector leadership
and stronger governmental and public policy making <BR>complementary and
necessary components for the effective management of the Internet? <BR>4.
<B>Accountability and legitimacy</B>: To what extent are self-regulatory
governance bodies accountable to <BR>Internet users world-wide? What problems,
if any, are posed by the fact that many Internet users do <BR>not participate,
even indirectly, in the governance processes? Is it necessary to make
governance <BR>fora more accountable to the wider international community and,
if so, how? <BR>5. <B>Internationalisation of Internet Governance: </B>Is it
desirable or necessary to ensure fair participation of <BR>actors in their
respective roles from all geographic regions in the future shaping of the
Internet and if <BR>so, how? How can situations be avoided where the
imposition of a particular legal system or <BR>jurisdiction might disadvantage
players from outside the jurisdiction concerned? <BR>6. <B>Digital divide</B>:
The future billions of users wil come largely from developing countries.
Should the <BR>existing Internet governance mechanisms be adapted to reflect
this evolution and, if so, how? Should <BR>the interests of those who don’t
yet have Internet access be represented in the policy making <BR>processes
and, if so, how? <BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">even if the attendees are all IGF veterans.
</BLOCKQUOTE>but not WSIS veterans... by the way, the list of the
invited is known to the invited ? <BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The lead towards the EuroIGF. should be taken by
all open-minded <BR> European stakeholders, involved in the IGF
process, <BR>whether in person, or remotely. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Anyone
could start a "EuroIGF", there are <geo-region>IGF's springing up all
over the place. All that happened was that Catherine Trautmann won the
"first come first served" race for the name.</BLOCKQUOTE>Is it like a domain
name ? !!! <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">But then nothing much happened (as I have explained
before). <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>There are two ways of looking at an IGF in Europe
:<BR><BR>1) An IG Forum of the EU, with its own organization, mandate distinct
from the IGF,<BR>possibly set up by an act of the EU parliament or the EU
commission<BR><BR>2) A subset of the UN IGF whose members are stakeholders
from Europe<BR>( not only the EU, but Europe as defined by the Council
of Europe ) <BR><BR>I would suggest the first one to be called the
EuroIGF,<BR>and the second one the IGF-Europe, they are distinct and
complementary,<BR>and the EuroIGF could fit into the IGF-Europe.<BR><BR>It is
possible that the EuroIGF might have a more stronger, effective<BR>mandate
that the IGF. This could be quite promising....<BR>However, the way the
EuroIGF is brought to birth raises eyesbrows<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT>as Meryem observed <BR><I>Business (and when I say business, I
really mean the business sector) as usual on other issues. IG seems to be seen
as a consumer issue only. </I><BR>and as Jean Louis recently posted
:<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2> <I>EU Commissioner Viviane Reding has
already worked out the Meeting (draft) Report and proposes it for possible
minor amendments and endorsement (see below) by the "invited
partipants".<BR></I><BR></FONT><I></I>The EuroIGF process is not starting
well, to say the least...<BR><BR>Civil Society should start to promote ASAP an
open, transparent multistakeholder<BR> IGF-Europe, with all stakeholders,
EU or non-EU, to counterbalance<BR>the lobbies that seem to have taken
control of the EuroIGF process<BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Francis <BR><FONT
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