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color=#0000ff size=2>There is another, deeper problem with Parminder's
formulation. When we talk about "participative political governance" we need to
explicitly recognize that "democratic" governance must always take place within
a framework of protected rights of individuals. Majorities can be as oppressive
as unaccountable tyrants, we all know. So while I prefer Parminder's reference
to "participative political governance by all people of the world" to vague
references to "multistakeholderism" I think that will sound threatening to
many people unless we also make it clear that such governance is limited and
contained by rights and freedoms _from_ governance in the appropriate areas.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>Milton Mueller<BR>Professor, Syracuse
University School of Information Studies<BR>XS4All Professor, Delft University
of Technology<BR>------------------------------<BR>Internet Governance
Project:<BR><A
href="http://internetgovernance.org/">http://internetgovernance.org</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Ian Peter
[mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 13, 2009 1:39
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Parminder'; governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[Fwd: [governance] Workshop proposal - Internationalisation of
IG<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=890172305-13042009><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial>Parminder, my problems with the way you have phrased this is
below.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=890172305-13042009><FONT face=Arial
size=2>The wording "Participative political governance by all people of the
world, who are all implicated" will, I think, lead to an argument that
the appropriate participative structures for all people are governments, and
sovereign states are the basic building blocks for people's participation in
internet governance (and so the rest of you can go home!) Unless we
have strong arguments - which we do - that other players such as private
sector and CS need to be represented separately because of the nature of their
structures and their avenues for richer levels of
participation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=890172305-13042009><FONT face=Arial
size=2>I dont think we are far apart here but we do need some appropriate
wording. How about</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=625262603-13042009><FONT face=Arial
size=2>One thing however is clear by now; the Internet is not just a technical
artifact, requiring technical governance with regard to keeping it running
smoothly, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
class=625262603-13042009>but a key socio-political phenomenon<SPAN
class=890172305-13042009>. This</SPAN> requir<SPAN
class=890172305-13042009>es</SPAN> participative political <SPAN
class=890172305-13042009>involvement of</SPAN> all people<SPAN
class=890172305-13042009>, </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=625262603-13042009>in<SPAN class=890172305-13042009>cluding</SPAN> civil
society, private sector and governmental actors in multistakeholder governance
structures</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig align=left>Ian Peter</P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Parminder
[mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 13 April 2009
14:14<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Fwd: [governance] Workshop proposal - Internationalisation of
IG<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR>Ian Peter wrote:
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color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks Parminder - one small suggested
change</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=625262603-13042009>>One thing
however is clear by now; the Internet is not just a technical artifact,
requiring technical governance with regard to keeping it running smoothly,
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=625262603-13042009>> but a key
socio-political phenomenon requiring participative political governance
[by all people of the world, who are all implicated]</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=625262603-13042009>Can I suggest
replacing the bracketed words with " involving civil society, private
sector and governmental actors in multistakeholder governance
structures</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=625262603-13042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>How does that sit?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=625262603-13042009></SPAN><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Ian, <BR><BR>Frankly,
I believe that the basic political purpose is to get equal political
representation of all people and all sections of people, of the world.
Multistakeholderism is *only a means*, to the extent it does achieve the
purpose, of ensuring that such participation is in fact achieved. I have
great issues in mentioning multistakeholderism *instead of* participation of
all people. Such a stance underlies a new political ideology that is taking
strong roots in the world, which in my view is essentially anti-democratic.
I have no problem with *also* mentioning multistakeholderism along with
political participation of people of the world.
<BR><BR>regards<BR><BR>Parminder <BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Parminder [<A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</A>]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> 13 April 2009 13:07<BR><B>To:</B> '<A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Fwd: [governance] Workshop proposal - Internationalisation of
IG<BR></FONT><BR></DIV><BR>This is an attempted draft for the proposed
internationalisation workshop. <BR>
<P class=MsoNormal><B>Title</B><O:P></O:P></P><U1:P></U1:P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><U1:P><BR>Democratic internationalization of
Internet Governance - The way forward from where we stand today
<BR><!--[if
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>Concise description (up to 200
words)<O:P></O:P></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><O:P></O:P><BR></B>As the Internet becomes a key
factor of reorganizing our social structures, and doing so at a global
level as never before, democratic global governance of the Internet is a
pressing imperative. Its present governance structures grew out of
certain historical contexts, as well as of some new socio-political
realities around the Internet. In the context of rapid changes that the
Internet has wrought, the key and emerging issues related to its
governance, and the correspondingly legitimate governance arrangements,
could not have been anticipated by anyone. One thing however is clear by
now; the Internet is not just a technical artifact, requiring technical
governance with regard to keeping it running smoothly, but a key
socio-political phenomenon requiring participative political governance
by all people of the world, who are all implicated.<SPAN>
</SPAN>However, the direction we move in from here depends on where we
stand. It is important to analyze the needs of evolution and
internationalization of IG from these dual standpoints. <O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P><BR>The workshop will seek to discuss some
real institutional possibilities of what to do next, possibly presenting
and analyzing alternative models, along with the advantages and
disadvantages of each.<SPAN> </SPAN><B><SPAN>
</SPAN><O:P></O:P></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><O:P></O:P><BR>Relates to theme –<U1:P>
</U1:P></B>IG, CIRs<O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><U1:P></U1:P></B><BR><SPAN class=cftext><B>Who
would you approach as co-organizers ? Or who do you think should
organize it?</B></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P><BR>It is best that this workshop is
organized by civil society actors. IG Caucus will like to organize this
workshop, along with some<SPAN> </SPAN>civil society organizations
form the North and South that have shown interest. </P>
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