<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Uh, hasn't there been several hundred years of international law recognizing sovereigns' rights in all kinds of spheres...? Don't treaties recognize rights, like all the time? <div><br></div><div>Bit puzzled,</div><div><br></div><div>BD<br><div><br><div><div>On Mar 26, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Konstantinos Komaitis wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div> <font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Governments have only one right to sovereignty – I think this is important in the context of the international Internet. Perhaps a workshop theme could include the governments’ sovereignty as opposed to the non-sovereign state of the Internet. The case of ccTLDs could be used as a good starting point for the discussion.<br> <br> Konstantinos<br> <br> <br> On 26/03/2009 13:34, "Milton L Mueller" <<a href="mueller@SYR.EDU">mueller@SYR.EDU</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </span></font><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font color="#0000FF"><font face="Arial">Governments do not have any "rights;" they have powers. Only people have rights. Insofar as governmental powers are justified and just, they are held and exercised to secure rights for people. <br> </font></font><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Milton Mueller<br> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies<br> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology<br> ------------------------------<br> Internet Governance Project:<br> <a href="http://internetgovernance.org">http://internetgovernance.org</a> <<a href="http://internetgovernance.org/">http://internetgovernance.org/</a>> <br> <br> <br> </font></span><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <br> Perhaps the workshop could address aspects related to the Rights of Governments, apart from focussing on the Rights of the Users? Governments of the world might want to argue that they have a right to demand certain content removed - You Tube has faced such rights based requests in the recent past and now.<br> <br> <br> <br> Governments would like to argue that they have a moral right to filter, and to censor inappropriate content ????<br> <br> <br> <br> What is this "rights-based values and principles for internet governance" any way? Define rights, principles and then enact laws according to the agreed values and principles ???<br> <br> <br> <br> </font></span></blockquote><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> </font></span></blockquote><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> -- <br> Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,<br> Lecturer in Law,<br> GigaNet Membership Chair,<br> University of Strathclyde,<br> The Lord Hope Building,<br> 141 St. James Road,<br> Glasgow, G4 0LT,<br> UK<br> tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306<br> email: <a href="k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a> <br> </font></span> </div> ____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br> <a href="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</a><br><br>For all list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a><br></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">***********************************************************</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">William J. 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