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I agree with Milton and Bill and see no reason why McTim would not qualify as an individual member based on those affiliations (except of course if he works for a RIR).<div><br></div><div>I'll forward the the application to the NCUC Executive Committee, so it should be approved within a few days.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, McTim, for submitting the membership application!</div><div><br></div><div>NCUC is not a life-time commitment, and we will happily accept whatever amount of energy you've got to spare, even small amounts are very welcome.</div><div><br></div><div>There is also a web-form membership application so people can fill-out the membership application and apply via the web:</div><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 47, 215); "><a href="https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=cElmeG5pOWZ6dmxoVVAwMEItTjZ2TWc6MA">https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=cElmeG5pOWZ6dmxoVVAwMEItTjZ2TWc6MA</a></span></div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#002FD7"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Thanks again!</span></font></div><div>Robin</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#002FD7"><br></font><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I would say that unless McT is the organizational representative of an RIR member, or works for an RIR, he would be eligible for NCSG under the individual membership category.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Recently, our eligibility requirements were clarified specifically so as to NOT exclude anyone in a RALO or ALAC. Also, it is not mailing list membership that matters, but some kind of formal membership in an ICANN S.O. or constituency.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Keep in mind that the competing NCSG proposal has the same eligibility requirements. The difference is that it fragments people into different constituencies that compete for Council seats. So in that sense I still think you'd be better off supporting our proposal.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original Message-----</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: William Drake [<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 AM</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; McTim</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cc: Robin Gross</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: [governance] Call for Action: Your comments can Support</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">McT</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">In the interests of full disclosure, I am on a number of ICANN mailing</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">lists already, including At-Large, AfRALO, and AfrICANN, although I am</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">not a member of a RALO (as far as I know).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>In addition, I am active</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">in various IETF and RIR policy fora, volunteer occasionally for</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">AfriNIC events and sometimes get paid to give advice and training to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">ISPs who are also LIRs.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Does this make me "represented in ICANN through<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>membership in another</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Supporting Organization"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>??</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I just don't know.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>If someone wanted to keep me off the NCSG, they</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">could claim I was represented by the ASO, which wouldn't be entirely</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">untrue, but wouldn't be entirely accurate either.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">GNSO has a constituency representation system that's unique now and</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">will remain so after restructuring.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>In the GNSO context it's pretty</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">clear if you are a "member" elsewhere who's "represented."<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The other</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">ASOs are different.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>You're not on the Address Council and I assume</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">you're not on the ccNSO.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Being on open to all mailing lists that</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">provide input to these would not constitute being a represented</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">member, at least my understanding.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Maybe someone else from NCUC has a</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">different and more restrictive view, in which case you'd be right that</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the language on this point could use further clarification.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Bill</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">____________________________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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