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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hi All<br>
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I support the proposal to have a NN workshop. <br>
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I find Milton's question - </font><font color="navy" face="Arial"
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color="#000000"><big><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">what
is the GLOBAL angle on it - interesting</font></big></font><small>.</small><br>
<br>
</span></font>In fact so interesting, that I think we should have a
workshop on this issue alone. 'NN - What is the GLOBAL angle on it'. In
any case it is always better to have more focussed issues for workshops.<br>
<br>
I do often wonder that if US, or US plus EU, decide that such-and-such
NN regulation is necessary to be observed by the concerned actors,
would that not set the default global regime for NN. Do developing
countries - even a relatively larger and more powerful one like India
- have any serious options but to accept the default regime. <br>
<br>
What NN issues extend across the global Internet, or are likely to so
extend? What accordingly are NN issues that are best dealt by a
globally democratic system - and if there isnt one at present, the
problems that such a situation presents. <br>
<br>
Discussing NN in terms of global Internet policy will be in accordance
of the central mandate of the IGF as a policy dialogue forum for global
Internet policy issues. parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
Ginger Paque wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-US">Please post
your ideas for a NN
Workshop on this thread. I have pasted below the previous discussion I
found. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-US">Ginger
suggested:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">Mixed panel on NN: experts from
CS,
business and government presenting different sideswe had a great
discussion on
the NN panel last year, but were missing the academic viewpoint.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
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</span></font><span lang="EN-US">Milton L Mueller <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;" lang="EN-US">As
for Net Neutrality,
what is the GLOBAL angle on it? What would a discussion contribute that
hasn’t already been said. The only new development there is the rise of
Deep Packet Inspection, which Ralf is working on and perhaps a WS on
that would
be useful, too<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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productid="Ralf Bendrath" w:st="on"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Ralf Bendrath</span></font></st1:PersonName><span
lang="EN-US"> <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de">bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">I guess it would be interesting to invite some folks from IETF and related<br>
transnational tech forums. The NN debates have so far mostly focused on<br>
regulations by government agencies or the EU, but the IETF for example has<br>
also done some work on "what constitutes fairness in bandwidth<br>
management", e.g. here:<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-briscoe-tsvwg-relax-fairness-00">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-briscoe-tsvwg-relax-fairness-00</a>><br>
They are also working on less infringing ways of dealing with the massive<br>
volume of P2P traffic:<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-p2pi-cooper-workshop-report-01">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-p2pi-cooper-workshop-report-01</a>><br>
<br>
Oh, and then there are a number of techies who say that the end-to-end<br>
principle is dead already, because of NAT and related issues. One of our<br>
colleagues in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Delft</st1:City></st1:place> has done a bit of work on this, and the CCC nerds in<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Bremen</st1:State></st1:place> just told me the same over the weekend.<br>
<br>
Bottom line: As you may remember, we had a hard time ourselves here<br>
recently defining what "NN" would mean exactly. So I guess some technical<br>
capacity building could not hurt at all here. ;-)<br>
<br>
><i><span style="font-style: italic;"> The only new development there is the rise of Deep Packet Inspection,</span></i><br>
<br>
Not only. It's also the spread of the "filtering" debates around the<br>
world, even in democratic countries. We're just having it in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Germany</st1:country-region></st1:place> now. :-(<br>
<br>
><i><span style="font-style: italic;"> which Ralf is working on and perhaps a WS on that would be useful, too</span></i><br>
<br>
I am all for a workshop on NN and/or on DPI. This might also be a nice<br>
chance for collaboration with the IGF Dynamic Coalitions on Internet<br>
Rights and Principles, on Privacy, and on Freedom of Expression.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<st1:PersonName productid="Meryem Marzouki" w:st="on">Meryem Marzouki</st1:PersonName>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marzouki@ras.eu.org"><marzouki@ras.eu.org></a><u><o:p></o:p></u></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Exactly, and probably not only
_technical_
capacity building. One of the - many - aspects I'd fbe interested to
discuss is
the reasons why some old issues are now being reframed into NN issues,
by
whom/which actors, and what are the implications of this reframing. <br>
e.g. content filtering is more an more addressed as a NN issue, rather
than a
content censorship (i.e. a right violation) issue. <br>
<br>
In any case, an IGC workshop is worth proposing on this theme.<br>
Best,<br>
Meryem</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"
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