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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">> </font>[SNIP]: "It's
interesting to see Google stepping up into the role of a proactive
net-neutrality watchdog."<br>
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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Google as the
(overwhelmingly) principal player in the content/ application layer is
a great ally to ensure 'openness' in the infrastructural/ transport
layer.... However, we will need other actors to develop tools that
could reverse engineer and unravel the gates and walls that Google
builds in its content/ application layer - how it priortises and
presents search results, how does it separate commercial from
non-commercial information, how it deals with privacy in its
customization methods etc etc.... <br>
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Did I hear Google say revealing some of it will compromise its
commercial interests, and the secrecy or 'non-openness' of such
information constitutes legitimate commercial secrets. In that case
as traffic management practices become increasingly more sophisticated
would telecoms at some stage not by the same logic be able to claim
secrecy of these traffic-shaping practices as legitimate commercial
secrets. Would then prying into them considered illegal ?? Yes,
telecoms need to make full
disclosure statements, but so do Google. Good though till we can use
Google's muscle for helping the cause of an 'open Internet'. <br>
<br>
Not being cynical here, just the strong parallel with issues we have,
or
will soon have, with Google automatically came to my mind. Also it
makes the point that while it is important to seek out tactical and
strategic alliances, we still may need to look at evolving globally
applicable public policy principles in the area of IG. <br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
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Stuart Hamilton wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Colleagues
I thought this was interesting in light of recent discussions on congestion management etc.
New Google Tools Determine if Your ISP Is Blocking BitTorrent
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/01/new-google-tool.html">http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/01/new-google-tool.html</a>
[SNIP]: "It's interesting to see Google stepping up into the role of a proactive net-neutrality watchdog."
Stuart
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From: Christopher Wilkinson [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Christopher.wilkinson@skynet.be">mailto:Christopher.wilkinson@skynet.be</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:21 PM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Ian Peter
Cc: 'Ralf Bendrath'
Subject: Re: [governance] Of Interest: Congestion Management FAQ from Cox
Well, nowadays, it would seem to me that there is a difference of scale
and a difference of degree.
If one bloke once picked another´s apple years and years ago, it doesn't
mean that the whole trade in apples can now be regulated by the shipping
companies.
Just a thought,
CW
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Ian Peter wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Interestingly in this context, the Internet History mailing list is
currently alive with confessions of network engineers who moved beyond best
effort networking from 1985 onwards to deal with growing volumes of telnet
traffic.
Traffic shaping and packet preference has been with us from two years after
the introduction of TCP/IP. One example follows
Ian Peter
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Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:17:21 +0000
From: David Mills <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mills@udel.edu"><mills@udel.edu></a>
Subject: Re: [ih] Secret precedence schemes back then
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org">internet-history@postel.org</a>
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Mathias,
Busted after all these years. In the bad old NSFnet days the interactive
customers were being crushed by other traffic, so I modifed the scheduling
algorithm to implement a classic precedence scheme using the IP header TOS
field. Then, I changed NTP to use the highest priority and telnet to use the
next highest. Steve Wolff and I agreed to do thes as an emergency measure
and to keep it a secret ftom the Cornell operators.
I never told anybody and I don't think Steve did either, so somebody else
figured it out. If you look closely at my SIGCOMM paper you can probably
figure it out, too.
23 years after the crime, it is past the statute of limitations.
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From: Ralf Bendrath [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de">mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</a>]
Sent: 29 January 2009 00:05
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>
Subject: Re: [governance] Of Interest: Congestion Management FAQ from Cox
Ginger Paque schrieb:
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<pre wrap="">This transparency is a positive step peripheral to the NN debate:
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<pre wrap="">It goes right to the heart, actually. While this transparency is nice, and
their approach to bandwidth management sounds very well-intended, this
announcement also means that Cox will look into the traffic of each
customer to determine which application is using the TCP stack ("deep
packet inspection" is the technical term). You could consider this a
breach of telecommunications privacy. At least it is a big step away from
the classic bit-mover and best-effort internet model.
Good read on this:
The Rise and Fall of Invasive ISP Surveillance
Paul Ohm, University of Colorado Law School
U of Colorado Law Legal Studies Research Paper No. 08-22
University of Illinois Law Review, 2009
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1261344"><http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1261344></a>
Ralf
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