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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>George wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>>>“One of the advantages of having ISPs lay out
precisely what their delivery policies are (my suggestion) and understanding
what the user can do about it, i.e. what degrees of freedom users have (Carlos'
suggestion) is that at least on multiple provider neighborhoods there exists
the possibility of competition in the delivery space.  If one ISP has a
less desirable delivery policy than another, at least it will be clear to the
users what the situation is, and they can select their provider accordingly.”<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Global Network Initiative has gone some way to addressing
these issues, but is primarily concerned with situations in which governments
seek to restrict private sector service providers.  For example, their
implementation guidelines for realizing free expression and privacy principles
include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Communications With Users</span></b><br>
Participating companies will seek to operate in a transparent manner when
required by government to remove content or otherwise limit access to
information and ideas. To achieve this, participating companies will, unless
prohibited by law:<o:p></o:p></p>

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 <li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
     mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Clearly disclose to users the generally
     applicable laws and policies which require the participating company to
     remove or limit access to content or restrict communications.<o:p></o:p></li>
 <li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
     mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Disclose to users in a clear manner the company’s
     policies and procedures for responding to government demands to remove or
     limit access to content or restrict communications.<o:p></o:p></li>
 <li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
     mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Give clear, prominent and timely notice to users
     when access to specific content has been removed or blocked by the
     participating company or when communications have been limited by the
     participating company due to government restrictions. Notice should
     include the reason for the action and state on whose authority the action
     was taken.<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
     color:#1F497D'>”</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Whilst the GNI is focused on how businesses should respond to
government demands, I guess the next step would be to build on these
commitments to address wider public interest concerns.  Although I guess they’ll
need to get over the first hurdle of adhering to what they’ve already signed up
to before committing to more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I know that Max Senges and others in the BoR coalition are
working on “human readable icons” that could be displayed on websites to
reassure users that they adhere to certain privacy standards.  A similar
concept might be relevant for certain “neutrality” standards?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> George Sadowsky
[mailto:george.sadowsky@attglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 January 2009 15:48<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Parminder; Michael Gurstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'McTim'; 'Steve Anderson'; 'Milton L Mueller'; 'Brian Beaton';
isolatedn@gmail.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BULK] Re: [governance] What is Network Neutrality<br>
<b>Importance:</b> Low<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Well, this is a discussion that seems to be going somewhere,
and without a lot of verbosity.  That's good.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Parminder has grasped what Carlos and I were saying. 
But I am hesitant about taking the net step forward in detail, because
"appropriate" depends upon cultural context.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>I would agree that there are gross (in the sense of large)
standards of appropriateness, such as not discarding messages without informing
the user, not diverting content to others (such as the police) without a
legally obtained warrant or equivalent.  Wen you get to the details,
however, they will vary country by country, as well as opinion by opinion.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>I do see Parminder's suggestion as helpful in beginning to
formulate such a list, but I would not want to see a lot of effort go on around
the "edges" of such a list, with increasing arguments about what
should go on and what should not go on a list.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>One of the advantages of having ISPs lay out precisely what
their delivery policies are (my suggestion) and understanding what the user can
do about it, i.e. what degrees of freedom users have (Carlos' suggestion) is
that at least on multiple provider neighborhoods there exists the possibility
of competition in the delivery space.  If one ISP has a less desirable
delivery policy than another, at least it will be clear to the users what the
situation is, and they can select their provider accordingly.<o:p></o:p></p>

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