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<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I partly agree Ian's opinion in the two last
paragraphs of his mail. I'd just remind our list
members </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT size=3><FONT
face="Times New Roman">the position of the large majority of the
DCs through the whole WSIS <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>that strongly supported the idea
of UN/ITU -or ITU-only- be involved in IG. Unfortunately, actual
DCs are not present in the IGF process for obvious reasons. On our
list we are "listening to the same tenors" all year long". That's quite fine but
not sufficient for me : since I do like music (and a lot of other list members
do as well) I want "to listen carefully the whole choir" ! This is far more
more interesting ! And really inclusive as we aked for in our WSIS
Declarations !</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Therefore, in my opinion, CS should
advocate in some way the position of absent DCs by considering these
options in the debate on IG(F)'s Future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
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<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">Of course,
in my opinion this IG evolution issue is strongly linked to the (urgent) ITU
move towards a really CS-open UN Agency, like e.g. Unesco. And this is
another battle to be fought by the CS, as asked for i.a. by Bill
Drake. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
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<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">Let's try to
be as consistent as possible in our longer term views, and have in mind both
these issues when defining our strategy and proposals for IG evolution, or
better said when trying to shape the "post-ICANN" Internet
policy.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">All the best
for you in 2009 !</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian
Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.cpsr.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> ; <A
title=kpeters@tldainc.org href="mailto:kpeters@tldainc.org">'Karl E.
Peters'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:45
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [governance] A U.N. grab for
Internet control?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Karl, the debate has
moved on a little since 2003 and the article you mention. There remains
widespread opposition to the two unilateral roles the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> government
continues to hold in the ICANN/IANA space (the JPA and the root zone
authorization roles) – this is opposed by a significant number of governments,
most groups within civil society, and significant groups within the private
sector and technical communities.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However this does not
mean necessarily a “UN takeover”. <st1:country-region
w:st="on">China</st1:country-region> to a degree restated its position during
the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:place></st1:City>
meeting, to say “all governments or no governments”. Put another way, this
might mean an equal role for all governments. There is a lot of room to define
what that role is (if any) and how it might be reflected in internet
governance structures.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That’s a long way
from any “UN takeover”. I don’t think that is on many agendas now, although
some would argue for a stronger ITU role. But I think it’s fair to say that
many positions are evolving during the IGF process and not too many are
absolute. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Karl E.
Peters [mailto:kpeters@tldainc.org] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 06 January 2009 16:04<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Adam
Peake<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
[governance] A U.N. grab for Internet
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> Please
do not confuse old with irrelevant! Is this no longer concern to you in
any way because you already read it? That's a bit perplexing... What has
happened since to make this a non-issue? I am new to the list and simply
wondered what participants on an internet governance list thought about
proposed changes to internet governance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">-Karl E.
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Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: [governance] A U.N. grab for
Internet control?<BR>From: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp><BR>Date: Mon,
January 05, 2009 10:52 pm<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Karl E. Peters"
<kpeters@tldainc.org><BR><BR>><BR>Karl, see the date of the
article, Posted: December 02, 2003<BR><BR>Not so relevant
now.<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>Just read an intriguing article on
the Internet and desire of many <BR>>to place it under the UN. Any here
either for or against such a plan <BR>>in any noticeable way? Please read
article linked below...<BR>><BR>>A U.N. grab for Internet
control?<BR>>Proposal expected at global summit in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Geneva</st1:place></st1:City><BR>><BR>>To view the entire
article, visit <BR>><<A
href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=22075" target=_blank
mce_href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=22075">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=22075</A>><A
href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=22075" target=_blank
mce_href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=22075">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=22075</A><BR>><BR>>-Karl
E.
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