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Hi,<div><br></div><div>It exists www.carnaval-geneve.ch but is near the bottom of the local festival calendar in terms of size etc. Might provide an amusing distraction after the usual CS+ dinner though.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">That's Carnival Monday and Tuesday! (Mardi Gras for the NOLA crowd) I guess Carnival isn't important in Geneva?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Jacqueline</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Adam Peake wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From the IGF website <<a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/content/article/42-igf-meetings/313-taking-stock-of-the-hyderabad-meeting-preparing-the-igf-review-process ">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/content/article/42-igf-meetings/313-taking-stock-of-the-hyderabad-meeting-preparing-the-igf-review-process </a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Consultations open to all stakeholders will be held in Geneva on 23-24 February.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Two main items will be on the agenda:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">* Taking stock of the Hyderabad Meeting and suggest improvements for the 2009 Meeting to be held in Sharm El Sheikh</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">* Preparing the IGF Review process.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Written contributions are welcome and will be posted on this Web site. To facilitate the discussions, a questionnaire will be made available in due course.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- - - -</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On the first, it's time to suggest new themes, how to deal with old, possible new formats, what worked well and less well in Hyderabad (this may seem trivial, but please remember to say how much the lunch was appreciated!)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On themes, I hope some time will be given over to discussion from national and regional IGF meetings.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nitin Desai's comments during the taking stock are well worth reading.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On the second issue, the IGF review, Markus Kummer gave an outline of the expected time line and some background of the review process during the taking stock session in Hyderabad, he said:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"The mandate is, shall we say, relatively clear.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>It has to be -- it has to take place within five years of its creation.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>And this generally assumed that the creation dates back to Tunis 2005.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>So the Secretary-General will have to make a recommendation to member states, as it is stated in the Tunis agenda, and make recommendations so that a decision can be taken within these five years.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This brings us to the General Assembly of 2009 -- 2010.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sorry.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>That is two years from now.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And in order to get there, we will have to get started soon.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>In order for the General Assembly to take a decision, the report from the Secretary-General needs to be ready in early 2010.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>It will then go to the CSTD in May 2010, from there to ECOSOC in July 2010, and from ECOSOC to the General Assembly, which then has the last word on whether or not to continue the forum in December 2010.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">In other words, we will have to get started early next year, and we will prepare that with a day set aside at the meetings in February. We have the dates already for the open consultations.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>That is 23rd and 24th of February.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>And one day of these two days will be set aside for the discussion on how to prepare this review process.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And, of course, we invite all stakeholders to post their ideas and comments.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>And we'll post it on our Web site.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>And we will, as usual, prepare a paper as an input into the discussions.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The process will then be conducted on the basis of these discussions in February and brought to fruition at the meeting in Egypt sometime in late fall.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>And I am given to understand that our Egyptian hosts may be able to announce us the dates later today. [15-18 November]</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">But it is also, I think, understood and also not the desire of our Egyptian hosts to turn the meeting in Egypt into an inward-looking meeting where we discuss the future of the IGF.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>This will be one item on the agenda of the meeting, like we have today, the taking stock and the way forward.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>We would then discuss the review.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">But the actual review will have to take place at the meeting itself. The mandate says the Secretary-General will have to consult -- informal consultations with forum participants.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>And that can only be the annual meeting of the IGF.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">So we will have to come to consensus in this area.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>We do say the IGF is not a decision-making body.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>But we will have to find some way of reaching a consensus on what will then go into the report of the Secretary-General.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>But the final decision will be with the member states in the various instances, CSTD, ECOSOC, and, finally, General Assembly."</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; 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