<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><font style="font-family: Verdana;" size="2" color="#000000" face="Verdana">Mr. Younger,<br> No one is insisting you support anything outside of your personal interests. We can expect no more out of many people. All I am saying is that ICANN has PROVEN chief among the abusers of Net Neutrality by your own group's definition and that any effort to clean up the internet should start at home. Your personal dislike for anything I do does not change that one iota!<br> ICANN's justification for taking over a .biz, according to your logic, seems to be like that of a powerful nation taking over a less developed one and using its space simply because it does not meet the powerful nation's standards for a meaningful country. This has been justified over and over in the history of world politics, but has never made anyone look very neutral, has it? <br> Sincerely yours,<br> Karl E. Peters, President<br> Top Level Domain Association, Inc.<br><br> <blockquote webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: verdana;"> <div> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: RE: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!<br> From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com><br> Date: Tue, December 16, 2008 4:26 pm<br> To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Karl E. Peters" <kpeters@tldainc.org><br> <br> Karl,<br> <br> You have an interest in promoting a useless product (alt. root TLDs) that can't be found by the common Internet user utilizing any of the standard search engines. As a businessman, you are pushing what amounts to defective merchandise. OK. I get that. Your motive is clear. Good luck with your endeavor.<br> <br> <br> <br> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters <kpeters@tldainc.org> wrote:<br> <br> > From: Karl E. Peters <kpeters@tldainc.org><br> > Subject: RE: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!<br> > To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@yahoo.com><br> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:00 PM<br> > Mr. Younger,<br> > As of the first month of .com, it is unlikely it made<br> > its full complement either! For a real record of the<br> > ultimate success of the original .biz, contact Leah Gallegos<br> > at jandl@jandl.com and ask her to release her final numbers.<br> > I don't think it was more than a few thousand, but that<br> > was more than enough to sustain the business model as<br> > profitable. That it made less with no publicity than the new<br> > one did for ICANN justify its theft? Does that not make you<br> > wonder how much money is wasted in running the ICANN root,<br> > when she was making money at that level?<br> > Furthermore, does it justify creating colliders in the<br> > internet without even discussing the possibility of a<br> > peaceful negotiated settlement before awarding what they did<br> > not own to someone who promised them a good return and paid<br> > ridiculous fees just to get it? Your argument is a good try,<br> > but falls flat on the underlying problem of net neutrality<br> > as it relates to ICANN.<br> > <br> > -Karl E. Peters, President<br> > Top Level Domain Association, Inc.<br> > <br> > <br> > -------- Original Message --------<br> > Subject: Re: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a<br> > hope!<br> > From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com><br> > Date: Tue, December 16, 2008 2:53 pm<br> > To: governance@lists.cpsr.org<br> > <br> > For an unbiased review of the "success" of .biz<br> > at the Atlantic Root Network see Ben Edelman's analysis<br> > at<br> > <a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/edelman/dotbiz/" target="_blank" mce_href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/edelman/dotbiz/">http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/edelman/dotbiz/</a><br> > <br> > An example: "As of November 15, 2000, only 5<br> > registrants had registered any SLDs at all in ARNI's<br> > .BIZ TLD."<br> > <br> > <br> > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters<br> > <kpeters@tldainc.org> wrote:<br> > <br> > > From: Karl E. Peters <kpeters@tldainc.org><br> > > Subject: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a<br> > hope!<br> > > To: governance@lists.cpsr.org<br> > > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:14 PM<br> > > <div id=yiv1801668660><html><span<br> > ><br> > style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt;"><font<br> > > style="background-color:rgb(102, 255,<br> > > 255);"><br>Quoted on and from the<br> > Governance<br> > > list:<br>"Net neutrality<br> > > laws are necessary to ensure that Internet service<br> > > providers do not<br> > > block content they disagree with or give financial<br> > breaks<br> > > to big tech<br> > > companies, squeezing out smaller competitors and<br> > stifling<br> > > innovation".</font><br><br> <br> > > I must agree with the author of the above quote!!!<br> > <font<br> > ><br> > style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;">(And<br> > > may it begin at home, with<br> > ICANN!!!)</font><br<br> > ><br> > style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;"><br><br> > <br> > > ICANN is the world's largest and grandest<br> > offender of<br> > > these very net neutrality ideals when it ignored (and<br> > > continues to ignore) the original plan that the<br> > > "alternate roots" would serve as a testbed<br> > for the<br> > > introduction of new TLDs into the "legacy<br> > root",<br> > > now administered by ICANN. ICANN then goes with the<br> > > big spenders it hopes to gain benefit from in<br> > awarding<br> > > ".biz" away from its successful operator of<br> > that<br> > > day, the Atlantic Root Network. (There is more than<br> > adequate<br> > > proof of the existance of this .biz in carefully kept<br> > > archives, if anyone cares to challenge!)<br> > > <br> <br> <br> > > While ICANN may claim it was unaware of our .biz,<br> > surely<br> > > they heard of Leah Gallegos' testimony before the<br> > U.S.<br> > > Congress on the matter! Surely they knew they were<br> > creating<br> > > a monstrous internet naming collision by proposing a<br> > second<br> > > registry for the same TLD! They simply did not care,<br> > because<br> > > they were expecting big income from the new .biz just<br> > as<br> > > they expect and recieve from the carefully protected<br> > Network<br> > > Solutuions and a few other of their friends. Leah<br> > finally<br> > > curtailed the orgininal .biz in the interest of<br> > internet<br> > > stability, sacrificing her successful business for<br> > the<br> > > smooth operation of the very internet ICANN is<br> > charged with<br> > > protecting! <br><br> Perhaps<br> > > ICANN lacked the technical ability to search the<br> > internet to<br> > > see what TLDs were already in operation when they<br> > went to<br> > > create new ones? Was it technical ignorance or simple<br> > > financial greed that led to that horrible precedent<br> > in<br> > > internet piracy? It had to be one or the other! Which<br> > was<br> > > it? <br><br> Since the TLDA,<br> > > in conjuction with the Public-Root, is set to publish<br> > its<br> > > first TapRoot, a listing of all operational TLDs on<br> > any<br> > > root, anywhere in the world on practically zero<br> > budget, I<br> > > dare say it must have been pure greed alone. Had they<br> > put<br> > > out the question for existing TLDs, a chorus of<br> > > confirmations would have been returned. No nquestions<br> > would<br> > > have remained. Deals could have been struck with<br> > existing<br> > > TLD managers to include them in ICANN's root; but<br> > ICANN<br> > > never even asked. <br><br> <br> > > ICANN wanted no proof for which to feel guilty. They<br> > just<br> > > wanted another revenue stream from someone who would<br> > owe<br> > > them a favor, and they got it. The Atlantic Root<br> > > Nework's TLDs were perfectly operational on at<br> > least one<br> > > root server system and often more than one (through<br> > > something called cooperation) and had <font<br> > ><br> > style="font-weight:bold;">many</font><br> > > happy SLD holders through a perfectly functional<br> > Registry<br> > > system. The only difference: . . . we didn't owe<br> > them<br> > > anything, and were proving that what ICANN does is<br> > very<br> > > easily and cheaply duplicated. Such a model was<br> > dangerous to<br> > > the big money schemes that US Government nods kept<br> > allowing<br> > > ICANN to get away with, appearing to have some<br> > special<br> > > ability the rest of the world lacked to run an<br> > > internet. <br><br> Now<br> > > ICANN is pulling away from the US Government auspices<br> > > entirely and can be tried more easily for their<br> > offenses.<br> > > Perhaps the splintering of today's ICANN will<br> > finally<br> > > allow for true Net Neutrality after all these<br> > > years!<br><br> Internet<br> > > governance will become a little more work and a<br> > little less<br> > > rubber-stamping, but the world will benefit greatly.<br> > We, the<br> > > TLDA stand ready to do our part to assist in the<br> > > transition.<br><br>Sincerely<br> > > yours,<br>Karl E. Peters,<br> > President<br>Top-Level<br> > > Domain Association, Inc.<br>USA (912) 638-1638<br> > > <br><br>P.S. I will make the first draft<br> > of the<br> > > TapRoot available on our webiste very soon and a copy<br> > may be<br> > > had by anyone requesting it at no charge, even ICANN!<br> > Write<br> > > me if you would like to see what is going on outside<br> > the<br> > > gates.<br></span></html> <br> > ><br> > </div>____________________________________________________________<br> > > You received this message as a subscriber on the<br> > list:<br> > > governance@lists.cpsr.org<br> > > To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br> > > governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org<br> > > <br> > > For all list information and functions, see:<br> > > <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target="_blank" mce_href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a><br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > ____________________________________________________________<br> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> > governance@lists.cpsr.org<br> > To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br> > governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org<br> > <br> > For all list information and functions, see:<br> > <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target="_blank" mce_href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a><br> <br> <br> <br> </div> </blockquote></font> </span></body></html>