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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There is a giganet business meeting on 1<sup>st</sup>
evening 17 to 1830 hours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can we then agree to meet on 2<sup>nd</sup>
– 1730 to 1930. Know it is a bit late but there isn’t any other opportunity
IGC gets to meet, other than at IGFs. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:windowtext'> Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 09, 2008
12:03 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [governance] IGF,
Hyderabad</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Either date works for me – early
evening to allow those who want to take a meal together afterwards would
probably suit best.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Bangalow NSW 2479<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:navy'>Australia</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>www.ianpeter.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Parminder [mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 November 2008 17:26<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Ian Peter'; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [governance] IGF, <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ian<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>After posting a report on IGC at the IGF, the
customary IGC meeting at IGF was the next thing I was going to suggest. How
does the evening of 1<sup>st</sup> (eve of IGF) or 2<sup>nd</sup> (day 1 of the
IGF) sound to all those who will be attending.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also was not seeking a statement from
the IGC on the way IGF should evolve, only seeking to orient the group towards
starting to engage with this issue. We have a workshop on this issue at the
IGF, and IGF review process kind of starts from IGF, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:place></st1:City>, onwards.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with what you say, Ian, on starting
the election process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 09, 2008
11:47 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Ian Peter'; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>; 'Parminder'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: OFFLIST RE: [Gov 586]
Re:ITU and ICANN - a loveless forced marriage Re: [governance] ITU & ICANN
in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cairo</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh ***.#### - will I ever learn to check
address lines before pressing send. That was meant to be offlist…. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway I guess that pre-empts a couple of
things we need to discuss in any case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Ian Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><font size=3
color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>PO
Box</span></font></st1:Street><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> 429</span></font></st1:address><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Bangalow NSW 2479<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:navy'>Australia</span></font></st1:country-region></st1:place><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>www.ianpeter.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 November 2008 17:14<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>';
'Parminder'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> OFFLIST RE: [Gov 586] Re:ITU
and ICANN - a loveless forced marriage Re: [governance] ITU & ICANN in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Cairo</st1:City></st1:place></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Parminder,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not sure we will get much of a statement
on this together before Hyderabad, but should we organize a meeting of IGC say
night before IGF starts to discuss some issues (we may have to get in early and
be sure to avoid GigaNet and other events but something like that seems
important). I’ll respond but will be interested to see what others say
first.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On another note I am going to begin to
call for nominations for your co-ordinator position mid next week. I am going
to release names periodically as they are received and certainly before <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:City></st1:place>. I am going to
leave nominations open until post <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:City></st1:place>
so that members can review nominees, talk to them, add names if no-one good is
forthcoming etc before vote starts. I think that might be the way to get the
best field.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Ian Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><font size=3
color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>PO
Box</span></font></st1:Street><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> 429</span></font></st1:address><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Bangalow NSW 2479<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><font
size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:navy'>Australia</span></font></st1:country-region></st1:place><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>www.ianpeter.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Parminder [mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 November 2008 16:51<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">WSIS
CS WG on Information Networks Governance</st1:PersonName>'; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>; 'Dr. Francis MUGUET'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Gov 586] Re:ITU and
ICANN - a loveless forced marriage Re: [governance] ITU & ICANN in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Cairo</st1:City></st1:place></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Interested in analysis of how we can avoid this.
Certainly some parties wish to avoid meaningful discussion, and are we
diplomatically sweeping under the carpet >all the important issues (lest
anyone take offence?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ian, you point to an important issue, and
danger.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Some of us have been arguing for long that
the IGF is civil society’s best bet in many ways. It is a new-age
organization that is relatively representative of people and groups across the
world, and still has been able to maintain some distance from strong statist
control on the one side and corporate control on the other. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However, many others in the civil society,
including within the IGC, have been over-cautious in putting our weight behind
strengthening the IGF in all ways that we can – whether the issue has
been of some substantive (and not merely advisorial) capacity of the core IGF
group (currently named MAG) or doing substantive inter-sessional work and
giving some kind of real, if non-binding, outputs on key IG issues. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think that we as a group may need to
revisit our positions on this issue, or al least discuss them to see if new
directions need to be taken in view of current and emergent realities. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is a fact that the IGF may be in real
trouble, and in the danger of being sidelined as an annual conference that no
one of any real importance takes any note of. We must review what would it mean
in terms of civil society and progressive interests. In light of such a review
we may need to have clearer common positions of how we want to engage with the
IGF, and how we want to see it evolve. Such a review is an even more urgent
imperative in view of the forthcoming process of IGF review which will start in
earnest immediately after the IGF, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:City></st1:place>.
What gets said and discussed at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:City></st1:place>
may have some important implications for this review.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> gov-bounces@wsis-gov.org [mailto:gov-bounces@wsis-gov.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Peter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 09, 2008
11:02 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>;
'Dr. Francis MUGUET'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'WSIS Civil Soc. WG on
Information Networks Governance'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Gov 586] Re:ITU and
ICANN - a loveless forced marriage Re: [governance] ITU & ICANN in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Cairo</st1:City></st1:place></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The telling statement from ITU being "I am personally
of the opinion that the IGF is continuously going round in circles and avoiding
issues – it is becoming more and more a waste of time."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Interested in analysis of how we can avoid this.
Certainly some parties wish to avoid meaningful discussion, and are we
diplomatically sweeping under the carpet all the important issues (lest anyone
take offence?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>My fear here is that the outcomes if IGF doesn’t
succeed in addressing the real issues are worse than those if it does succeed.
Balkanisation or globalisation? Take your pick….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Ian Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>PO
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Bangalow NSW 2479<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:navy'>Australia</span></font></st1:country-region></st1:place><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Dr. Francis MUGUET [mailto:muguet@mdpi.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 November 2008 15:44<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>;
Wolfgang<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> WSIS Civil Soc. WG on
Information Networks Governance<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> ITU and ICANN – a
loveless forced marriage Re: [governance] ITU & ICANN in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Cairo</st1:City></st1:place></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Wolfgang<br>
<br>
Interesting to notice a press analysis of Touré's speech, most notably about
the IGF.<br>
<br>
The statement from Touré has not been unnoticed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><i><font size=1 color=black
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-style:italic'>Coming back to what we do with ICANN, we also participate
actively in the work of Internet Governance Forum, which was established as the
result of the multistakeholder deliberations at the WSIS. I personally believe
that the IGF is just going around and around, avoiding the topics, and becomes
sometimes a waste of time. We need to address issues frankly and try to solve
them. And that's why I thought I should be here to talk to you here, so that we
learn to know each other better. Next year, ITU will organize the World Policy
Forum, which addresses a number of Internet-related public-policy issues,
ranging from cybersecurity and data protection to multilingualism and the
ongoing development of Internet. I hope you will not tell me here, "Don't
talk about Internet." It's an issue for everyone.</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
Best Francis<br>
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<a href="http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/print/111914">http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/print/111914</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>7 November 2008, 12:30<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<h1><b><font size=6 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
24.0pt'>ITU and ICANN – a loveless forced marriage<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h1>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>ITU
Secretary General Hamadoun Touré has called for better collaboration between
the <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>International Telecommunication Union[1]</span></b>
(ITU) and the <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Internet Corporation for
Assigned Names and Numbers[2]</span></b> (ICANN). "Our members have
unnecessarily attacked and criticised each other and I think we should put an
end to that," said Touré on Thursday at the 33rd ICANN meeting in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Cairo</st1:City></st1:place>. According to Touré,
the two organisations need to get to know each other better and learn to love
each other, as telecommunications and the internet are ultimately condemned to
a "forced marriage".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Despite
the outstretched hand, the ITU Secretary General did not spare the criticism in
his first appearance at an ICANN meeting. Touré made it clear to the assembled
experts that he saw his organisation as playing the dominant role in the forced
marriage and made his opinion of the other party clear – provocatively
describing ICANN's Governmental Advisory Committee as purely cosmetic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
depth of the chasm between the two – the UN organisation, which has its
roots in the telecommunications world, and the quasi-internet-regulator ICANN
– was stressed by a series of further statements in the half-hour talk
given by the head of the ITU. Touré repeatedly spoke of the "war"
between the two organisations. According to Touré, who was elected in 2006,
"The best way to win a war, is to prevent it."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In
the course of his 'marriage proposal', he referred extensively to the ITU's
outstanding role. Key topics for his organisation, he noted, include the
internationalisation of domains, something with which ICANN is currently
engaged, the <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>transition to IPv6[3]</span></b>,
standardisation for the all-IP <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Next
Generation Network[4]</span></b> (NGN), cyber-security, the fight against
online terrorism and child protection online.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Touré
rejected concerns that the ITU was appointing itself as global regulator of
internet resources and processes, "The ITU has clear boundaries. We do not
perform the operative business." However, he underlined the organisation's
demand, set out in its <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cybersecurity
Agenda[5]</span></b>, to be responsible for a global framework in the fight
against online terrorism and criminality. He also defended the controversial <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>IP traceback[6]</span></b> standard proposal.
"There is not one country which isn't doing it, it's just that each
country is doing it differently," said Touré.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Touré
also rejected criticism that the ITU operates behind closed doors. He stated
that the organisation has around 700 sector members from the telecommunications
industry and also admits NGOs as members. Touré also praised the ITU's openness
– a nod to the <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>World <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Summit</st1:City></st1:place> on the Information Society[7]</span></b>
(WSIS). The summit, organised under ITU auspices, is, according to Touré, the
first UN summit at which civil society has also been invited to sit at the
table, rather than demonstrating outside.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In
the same breath, Touré expressed strong criticism of the <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Internet Governance Forum[8]</span></b> (IGF), which
was called into being by the WSIS, "I am personally of the opinion that the
IGF is continuously going round in circles and avoiding issues – it is
becoming more and more a waste of time." Therefore, the ITU is planning a
global forum for internet policy next year as a rival event.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Touré
also fired a further undiplomatic broadside at the work performed by
governments within ICANN. "The Governmental Advisory Committee is ICANN's
weak point," said Touré. His criticism was directed at the advisory
function of the Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) in developing rules for
the domain name system. "If someone gives me advice, I am free to take it
or leave it." The ICANN's GAC is therefore nothing more than
"cosmetic", noted Touré forthrightly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In
a short statement following Touré's speech, the Brazilian government
representative on the GAC demanded, in the name of his and the Argentinian
government, the "strengthening of the GAC". Latvian diplomat Janis
Karklins, re-elected as GAC chairman, by contrast noted that the ITU and ICANN
operated according to very different political models, "From the viewpoint
of an international organisation, the ICANN model may appear weak, because
governments are merely advisory, whilst in an international organisation they
run the show." ICANN is, he opined, based on the novel idea of collaboration
between interested parties. He noted that both models have their advantages and
disadvantages, and that governments need to learn to operate within both
models. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>(<em><i><font
face="Times New Roman">Monika Ermert</font></i></em>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>(<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>lghp[9]</span></b>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><strong><b><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>URL of this Article:</span></font></b></strong><br>
<a href="http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/111914">http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/111914</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><strong><b><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Links in this Article:</span></font></b></strong><br>
[1] <a href="http://www.itu.int/">http://www.itu.int/</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://www.icann.org">http://www.icann.org</a><br>
[3] <a
href="http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/OECD-member-states-throw-their-weight-behind-IPv6--/110960">http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/OECD-member-states-throw-their-weight-behind-IPv6--/110960</a><br>
[4] <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Generation_Networking">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Generation_Networking</a><br>
[5] <a href="http://www.itu.int/osg/csd/cybersecurity/gca/">http://www.itu.int/osg/csd/cybersecurity/gca/</a><br>
[6] <a
href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10040152-38.html">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10040152-38.html</a><br>
[7] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSIS">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSIS</a><br>
[8] <a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/">http://www.intgovforum.org/</a><br>
[9] <a href="mailto:lghp@heise-online.co.uk">mailto:lghp@heise-online.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear friends<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>find attached the statement of ITU DG Toure during the recent ICANN meeting in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Cairo</st1:City></st1:place> and the discussion. This was a very interesting dialogue on the concept and understanding of the principle of "multistakeholderism". A very good piece whith very clear and frank language which will certainly provoke discussion and could be an interesting starting point for a new conceptual debate on what "multistakholderism" is, why we witness a clash of cultures in Internet policy development and how the old model of an hierachical top down IG organisation and the new model of a network bottom up MS organisation can or can not collaborate and coexist in the global diplomacy of the 21st century. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Wolfgang<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Internal Virus Database is out of date.<BR>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<BR>
Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM<BR>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Internal Virus Database is out of date.<BR>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com<BR>
Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM<BR>
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