Dear All<br>
<br>
I would like to play devil's advocate - you guys are being unfair to
Jeff. You are probably all jealous of his many accomplishments!<br>
<br>
jeff has been the spokesman for the INEGroup (Information Network Eng.
Group) for 11 years!!! Now YOU beat that! To my knowledge only in REAL
democracies without crap such as "no third term" does a real leader
stay at the helm for that long! I mean, look at Robert Mugabe! Look at
dos Santos of Angola! Those are democracies and Jeff is one of the last
lone defenders of those untainted ideals! <br>
<br>
At times he has also been the CEO/ DIR. of Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.<br>
<a href="http://www.fitug.de/icann-euorpe/0010/msg00102.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.fitug.de/icann-euorpe/0010/msg00102.html</a><br>
Please note that when Jeff signs himself as CEO/ DIR., the signature
does not reflect membership figures because the CEO/ DIR. does not have
a right to those figures, as this would constitute a violation of the
members' privacy. However, the CEO/ DIR. can access those figures if
he files a FOIA, but he does nor have the time, as he is busy making
valuable contributions to another few hundred mailing lists, and "100+
websites, some of which are extranet and intranet". Not an easy job by
any measure!<br>
<br>
<br>
Jeff is an extremely hard worker, dedicating himself to enlightening others on allthe lists he contributes to <br>
<br>
INEGroup has been growing and growing, from <br>
<br>
95 thousand in August 1999, <a href="http://www.fitug.de/icann-euorpe/0010/msg00102.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.fitug.de/icann-euorpe/0010/msg00102.html</a><br>
to 95 thousand in October 1999, <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg11113.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg11113.html</a><br>
to 95 thouand in January 2000,
<a href="http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/us-list/LL000119.LOG.txt" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/us-list/LL000119.LOG.txt</a>
(don't think there was no growth in numbers, it is just Jeff did not
want to - and I quote directly from him "that is simply because I don't
yet have an accurate count ... I will not be updating my Sig file<br>
to reflect the correct figure accordingly so as not to be misleading."<br>
How's that for real character! <br>
to 112 thousand in June 2000 (see? INEGroups keeps on growing in popularity!!!!!!!!!<br>
to 118 thousand in october 2001 <a href="http://atlargestudy.org/forum_archive/msg01150.shtml" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://atlargestudy.org/forum_archive/msg01150.shtml</a><br>
to 129 thousand in May 2003, <a href="http://www.fitug.de/icann-euorpe/0010/msg00102.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.fitug.de/icann-euorpe/0010/msg00102.html</a><br>
to today's figures - which we will not guess at, so as not to appear to be misleading anyone!!!<br>
<br>
<br>
Now, Jeff would be even better at it, if only he could learn English -
that way, it wouldn't be so easy to bust him, when another of his
personae "writes" some or other nonsense to which he then - as another
persona - responds. <br>
<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg09259.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg09259.html</a><br>There
is a little-known-of science for which language register experts
get paid a lot of money usually in court cases to analyse language
usage patterns. It's a dead give-away when you respond to yourself.
Don't do it Jeff! People have their knives out for you!!! At the very
least you could learn the difference between "its" and "it's" and
"Errant" and "Arrant" - besides using WRONGLY, you use "arrant" so
often that even google gives you away - especially when it appears in
the posting of those YOU are RESPONDING TO!!! Stop, it Jeff, someone
might catch on!!!!!<br>
<br>
Actually, Jeff is so busy, that he sometimes - to be able to get all
his work done - has to make up people to whom he writes about the
people he is writing about!!!!<br>
Below, he is ALL THREE!! What a menage-a-trois!<br>
Here, he responds to "Brian" about "William" <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg09259.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg09259.html</a><br>
Here, "Brian" is saying that someone is trying to impersonate him - <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg09369.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.mail-archive.com/list@ifwp.org/msg09369.html</a><br>
BUT, LO AND BEHOLD!!!!! "Brian" who is "Sr. Legal Advisor,
International House of Justice Internet Communications Affairs and
Policy, Advisory Council for Public Affairs and Internet Policy,
European", HAS THE SAME PHONE NUMBER AS
JEFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then again, kit is quite normal for
organisation with 280 thousand people to ALL share the same phone
number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do it myself .... with my three alter nos. <br>
<br>
<br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 27/10/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jeanette Hofmann</b> <jeanette@wzb.eu> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
the best thing is to filter emails from Jeffrey and ignore him. This
reduces the noise to those who keep replying to Jeffrey's emails. I
have been doing this for years and it works well.<br><span>
jeanette</span><div><span><br>
<br>
Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Adam and all,<br>
<br>
Sorry Adam, your incorrect. INEGroup is registered and is<br>
filed with the US FEC. Submitting a FOIA request, which has been<br>
done on several occasions, will give you the factual information<br>
via an independant source that you need or desire. Further<br>
we are registered with Edgar and DOC/NTIA as of 1998 which<br>
you can check out for yourself if you so choose, also via a<br>
FOIA request as well. So as always, do your due diligance<br>
if you desire accordingly.<br>
<br>
Sorry everyone else, but Adam is publically here challanging<br>
me and INEGroup, yet he has never submitted the legally proper<br>
FOIA request to be making the FALSE statement he is making<br>
below. However Adam has had from time to time disagreements<br>
with our members positions and has demonstrated privately<br>
via Email that he has a personal vendetta, as I would and others<br>
whom have reviewed independantly those Email at my request,<br>
discribed such. This is unfortunate and certainly not any of<br>
my doing. But if you wish, I can forward those Email to any<br>
of you for your review upon request and a signed non disclosure<br>
agreement if you provide a mailing address or via forward by<br>
Email if you have a valid and up to date, Class 2 cert.<br>
<br>
But Adam is correct about one thing, that member count in<br>
my sig file below, is not fully up to date. That is simply because<br>
I don't yet have an accurate count, but our membership is now<br>
estimated to be closer to 284,000 members presently. However<br>
until I recieve an accurate count, I will not be updating my Sig file<br>
to reflect the correct figure accordingly so as not to be misleading.<br>
<br>
Adam Peake wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Ian and Parminder,<br>
<br>
Would you both like to intervene on these issues of identity crisis please?<br>
</blockquote>
Why?<br>
<br>
Jeff Williams has been posting to ICANN and general Internet lists<br>
for years. You will find plenty of notes about who he is (or is not)<br>
and about the claims he makes.<br>
<br>
He closes every email with a .sig that's patently untrue. There is<br>
no INEGroup LLA, no 281k members/stakeholders.<br>
<br>
You judge if you want to bother replying. I'd suggest best just to<br>
ignore him. It's not about substance, some of his emails are as sane<br>
as anyone else's, some are inflammatory, some are just silly. As the<br>
subject lines suggests it's best not to feed the troll. And to use<br>
another online cliche... your mileage may vary.<br>
<br>
I am not Paddy bateman,, but I agree with his/her comment.<br>
<br>
It would also be best not to continue this thread!<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Paddy bateman<br>
<<a href="mailto:pbateman.igov@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">pbateman.igov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> For those who may be tempted to take seriously the posts by Jeff Williams,<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
please consider that his only role in the Internet community is as a<br>
longstanding troll who has delighted in clogging up multiple<br>
Internet-related mailing lists with gibberish and lies over the past decade.<br>
It's nothing more than a game for him. The best way of keeping this list<br>
useful is to completely ignore his posts.<br>
<br>
For more background information, see here:<br>
</blockquote>
> <a href="http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08030.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08030.html</a><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
And if he complains that he he is being defamed by this mail, which he<br>
probably will, and you are tempted to take him seriously, first ask him<br>
where you may be able to find some information about "INEGroup LLA", the<br>
imaginary organization he claims to be spokesperson for. If INEGroup LLA<br>
actually existed, and if it had more than 281,000<br>
members as he falsely claims in each of his mails, then you would think<br>
there might be some public information available. You'd also think that one<br>
or two of those members might be willing to identify themselves.<br>
<br>
He is playing a game. We are trying to tackle serious issues. We do not need<br>
his distractions.<br>
<br>
-pb<br>
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