David<br>
<br>
I think you saved a few hundred people the agony of fighting to be nice so as not to say what you just said. <br><br>
Boy! What next: the double-decker red buses must also have to do with
being a monarchy. In republics, they don't have single deck buses.<br>
<br>
And who is King Philip? Would it be King Philip of Spain? He died in
1665 - I was not aware that he had a problem with servants listening in
on his singing.<br>
<br>
Rui<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 18/10/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">David Goldstein</b> <<a href="mailto:goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
What utter crap Peter. Maybe you should do a modicum of research before you make such dumb, stupid and idiotic comments.<br> <br><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ----- Original Message ----<br> From: Peter Dambier <<a href="mailto:peter@peter-dambier.de" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">peter@peter-dambier.de</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br> Sent: Saturday, 18 October, 2008 9:02:27 PM<br> Subject: Re: [governance] Every Email In UK To Be Monitored<br>
<br> Sorry if I was looking funny.<br>
<br> I literally meant everybody's emails will be visible for<br> everybody. That is how british privacy has shown to work.<br> <br> The "toilet cam" is reality in the UK. They are everywhere<br> and they are shown in the public tv. There have been<br>
divorces because women have seen their husbands in the tv<br> meeting another women. They could not but divorce because<br> their neighbours have seen it too.<br> <br> British government is selling used disks with sensitive<br>
data of all their people including military personal.<br> <br> The leaks in the UK are institutional.<br> <br> The UK is a monarchy. King Philip cannot sing a song in the<br> bathtub without some servant listening and telling it the<br>
sun newspaper so all the brits can read it next day.<br> <br> Of course they feel this natural and they don't understand<br> why people from a republic might think different.<br> <br> Mostly the same goes for Australia. They used to be a jail<br>
island for the brits and they still are. Every email send by<br> an inmate is read same as every email received. Their internet<br> is censored and they cannot opt out. Guess where the chinese<br> are testing all their hardware.<br>
<br> Of course you know about the banks crisis that might put<br> capitalism to its end. But did you know it started when the<br> german secrect service leaked information about swiss and<br> liechtentein banks. You can read in wikileaks or wikipedia<br>
how the german service has given money to siemens to buy into<br> crypto ag, the company that does the encryption for all the<br> banks all over the world.<br> <br> Every information leaked that was not meant for the public has<br>
hindered bank business and now the banks have stopped working.<br> <br> Cordialement<br> Peter<br> <br> Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:<br> > Peter and all,<br> ><br> > My use of tolit cam was meant to be an extreme example<br>
> of how far it seems that invasion of privacy by the UK government<br> > may be willing ot go. I wasn't trying to be funny at all...<br> ><br> > Peter Dambier wrote:<br> ><br> >> I wont give the link here - but toilet cam...<br>
>> You cannot miss them as long as google is not censored.<br> >><br> >> I used to be working for a computer company that got<br> >> bankrupt - maybe because they watched the toilet cam<br> >> all day long and did not have time to build computers.<br>
>><br> >> In the UK that database means everybody can read it<br> >> not only in the UK<br> >><br> >> Imagine Monty Python, King Phillip and the Prince of Wales<br> >> they are all known for their peculiar sense of humor and<br>
>> now everybody can read their emails.<br> >><br> >> kind regards<br> >> Peter<br> >><br> >> Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:<br> >>> All,<br> >>><br> >>> Sorry to read of this. What's next in the UK, toilet cams<br>
>>> perhaps? Or perhaps manditory implanted RFID tracking<br> >>> chips?<br> >>><br> >>> God save the queen! ( Poor woman ) >:(<br> >>><br> >>> P.S. But I am sure Stalins soul is getting a reprieve by<br>
>>> St. Peter...<br> >>><br> >>> See:<br> >>><br> >>> <a href="http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/UKgovernment/Parliament/DG_078075" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/UKgovernment/Parliament/DG_078075</a><br>
>>><br> >>> The Communications Data Bill (2008) will lead to the creation of<br> >>> a single, centralized database containing records of all e-mails sent,<br> >>> websites visited and mobile phones used by UK citizens. In<br>
>>> a carnivore-on-steroids programme, as all vestiges of communication<br> >>> privacy are stripped away, The BBC reports that Home Secretary Jacqui<br> >>> Smith says <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7671046.stm" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7671046.stm</a> this<br>
>>> is a "necessity".<br> >>><br> >>> Regards,<br> >>><br> >>> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)<br> >>> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<br>
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>>><br>
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