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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Johannes Ernst
[mailto:johannes.ernst@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 11 October 2008 15:57<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Bill of Rights Dynamic
Coalition<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bill-of-Rights] <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> plans
citizen email</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It's also a step in a very dangerous direction, from a civil liberties perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>First you create a universal digital identifier for each citizen that
they have no control over (e.g. they can't have more than one for different
purposes, change it to something else, run it on a different computer, decide
not to show their name in it etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Then, you create compelling functionality around it (here: encrypted,
presumably largely spam-free e-mail due to their presumed use of digital
signatures) And you mandate it as the only means of getting certain
services in a certain way, such as certain government services.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The next thing you know is that schools are requiring you to use that
e-mail address for parent-teacher communications. Libraries use it instead of
library card numbers. Credit card companies to get your bills to you.
Department stores as a better means to get special offers to you and let you
buy with a single click.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>And you have perfect data mining for all of everybody's activities all
the time -- because all you did on the internet, and increasingly off-line, can
be trivially correlated. You do not have to be a conspiracy theorist to think
that this has "potential"...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If you thought the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
social security number was bad for privacy, it is nothing compared to this kind
of proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>To mitigate: we need a plurality of competitive operators of
communications endpoints like that. Where I as an individual with individual
rights have a choice which to trust, and which to "vote out of office"
for my activities tomorrow. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>[I've been lurking on this list for some time. I'm a technologist by
background currently intimately involved in a set of open/free/libre
technologies called OpenID now supported by many leading internet companies.
They have been built from the ground up as decentralized technologies, and one
of the reasons for that is the avoid exactly this kind of situation.]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That is an interesting piece of
information. Presumably, if one has a certified email ID as a citizenship
enabler, some kind of basic connectivity also looks very much round the corner
as a necessary citizen entitlement. Feeds very well into a rights based
approach to the Internet, in terms of the positive rights aspect, of what got
discussed earlier here as a ‘right to the Internet’.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><a href="mailto:bill-of-rights-bounces@ipjustice.org">bill-of-rights-bounces@ipjustice.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:bill-of-rights-bounces@ipjustice.org">mailto:bill-of-rights-bounces@ipjustice.org</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Max Senges<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:26 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Bill of Rights Dynamic Coalition<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Bill-of-Rights] <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> plans
citizen email</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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In <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">germany</st1:place></st1:country-region>
the Ministry of the Interior has announced a plan to give each citizen an
'governmentally certified' email address which allows more extensive practices
with official governmental institutions. Potentially this could be a huge step
forward in enabling/facilitating online citizen participation.<br>
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Unfortunately i couldn't find information in english, but here is a german
article covering the initiative<br>
<a href="http://www.thexblog.de/?p=4916">http://www.thexblog.de/?p=4916</a><br>
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I will send more info as i find it<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
best<br>
Max<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
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--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
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"I am, You are, We are information"<br>
Camille de Toledo - Coming of Age at the End of History<br>
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Dr. Max Senges<br>
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