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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Ian Peter
[mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 08, 2008
3:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[governance] Inputs for synthesis paper<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So womens rights is a
collective right? Indigenous land rights is a collective right? <FONT
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class=707160622-08092008> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=707160622-08092008>No, unless you believe that the
rights of woman are completely different from the rights of men. In other
words, patriarchal (or matriarchal) societies that assign superior or
different rights based on gender believe in collective rights. Liberal
societies that afford men, women and the transgendered equal rights based
ontheir status as individuals are based on individual rights. So now tell me
where you count yourself. ;-)</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=707160622-08092008>Indigenous land rights are more
complicated. An individualist approach would certainly recognize the ability
of groups (e.g., publicly owned corporations or even political communities) to
own land, but see these as extensions of individual rights (as Tapani pointed
out). However, the property rights of a very different culture may not be
recognizable to a modern legal regime, and vice-versa, and so it may be better
to handle those situations as a kind of special sovereignty. However, a
collectivist approach to property rights can just as easily work against
indigenous minorities as for them. I am sure you know the
history. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But for the sake of
this submission, we obviously need to reflect differing opinions. Can’t we
find a simple way forward here? Isn’t it as simple as a statement such as
“while differing opinions on individual and collective rights exist” within
the context of the general request, which is to make rights a main theme for
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cairo</st1:place></st1:City>? (which
doesn’t seem to be disputed)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN><o:p><SPAN
class=707160622-08092008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That's what I
thought my original edit did. I'd be happy to delete the line about how
state-provided internet access might be used to violate other rights, even
though I think the point is true and salient, I recognize that it may be a bit
too in-your-face. </FONT></SPAN></o:p></P>
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