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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Milton<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I did ask you in an
earlier email about how you consider property rights as real rights in the
sense of being negative rights, in the complicated property systems that we
have today (email enclosed). I enquired further how especially IPR, and even
more so IPR in digital space, could be considered a negative right. In fact
right to access knowledge (positioned against IPR in WIPO discussions) looks
more of a negative right, and IPR a positive right. When I use an idea I can
no way interfere with any other person’s right to use it – though I may
interfere with his state-aided scheme to make money out of it, which may be a
socio-economic device to promote innovation etc, but I cant see it as a right,
as rights go, especially in your restrictive definition.<FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=447204513-05092008>I am quite sympathetic to this
line of thinking. In fact, I thought my amendments were designed to strengthen
precisely that point. I tried to emphasize that people have natural property
rights in the things (literally, physical objects such as computers) that they
buy or build, and that these property rights can come into conflict sometimes
with state-supported efforts to protect copyrights. (e.g., DMCA
anti-circumvention)</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=447204513-05092008>But we can also recognize a
public interest in some kind of copyright and trademark and patent protection,
so I modified the statement to read, "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000 size=3>The IGF can explore issues surrounding the public
interest principles which underpin IPR alongside the concept of a right to
access knowledge in the digital space. It can also explore how individuals'
property right to own, build, test, and use consumer electronics, computers
and other forms of equipment can be reconciled with the regulation of
technical circumvention to protect copyrights."
</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=447204513-05092008>Believe me, ANY contestation of
IPR, no matter how subtle, is going to provoke fanatical opposition in
the IGF context, so you had better make damn sure we are unified on this one.
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And now in your
present set of amendments you have tried to make sure that there is no
implication that IPR as a category of rights itself may be contested, changing
the earlier text <FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN class=447204513-05092008>Completely wrong, as I said
the modifications clarified and strengthened the language on contesting and
exploring the scope of IPR. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">“While the ‘right to property’ has conventionally been
considered of considerable importance, its applicability and mutations in the
the digital environment, particularly in the form of Intellectual Property
rights, is current being widely contested.”<FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">“While property rights are of
considerable importance, their applicability and mutations in the the digital
environment have led to widespread political contention over the proper scope
of copyrights, trademarks and patents.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your sensitivity to
any implications that IPR themselves may be problematic as rights<SPAN
class=447204513-05092008><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008><FONT color=#0000ff>Wrong again. First, I am claiming
the territory of property rights as "our" space, and not conceding it to the
copyright/trademark/patent interests. Second I am following Richard Stallman's
important point that "intellectual property" as an umbrella
term, somewhat dodgy, we need to be more specific about what kind of
rights we are talking about, and that means Copyrights, Patents and
Trademarks.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the original text
there was another question - Are corporate entities entitled to rights as we
understand the</SPAN></FONT> term? <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=447204513-05092008>Now this is interesting. Another word for "corporate"
might be "collective." For you to advance rights of ill-defined collectivities
such as "cultures" and at the same time question any legal rights assigned to
corporations is completely inconsistent. It is not inconsistent for an
individualist however to view a formal corporate structure as a legal
contracting party to which individuals assign or delegate specific
rights, and which can act on their behalf.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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class=447204513-05092008></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think there is a
lack of mutual understanding and appreciation of what we respectively mean by
rights, and that over some deliberations it is possible for us to agree to a
good extent. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=447204513-05092008><FONT color=#0000ff>Yes, but
this will only work if you are willing to accept a statement and viewpoints
that are different from your own.</FONT></SPAN></P>
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