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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Milton<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>>I see that Parminder has chosen to
ignore extensive evidence of contention around this issue on the list, and
apparently thinks he can put his own views into our mouths. >As always, >we
can engage with these disagreements honestly, or dishonestly; i.e., we can
recognize in the statement differences of views about what rights are and >how
they are defined, or we >one faction that is temporarily dominant and
holding the pen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It was decided on basis of discussions
around our input to September MAG consultations that we try to seek IGC inputs to
the IGF, Hyderabad, synthesis paper on two subjects – ‘rights agenda
in IGF’ and ‘review of the IGF’. This decision was taken on
the above basis by the co-coordinators. Ian asked me to do the first draft.
Before doing an initial draft a call for open comments was given, as also a
proposal made for forming working groups. Neither you nor anyone else
responded. After that an initial draft was proposed. Any other IGC member has
as much right as the initial drafter to change the draft. A collaborative platform
was also set up for this purpose and a few members have exercised that right.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a right as much as any other member
to propose that some of my views be a part of the draft. Even if I had not
proposed the initial draft I would have suggested these amendments. So, how is it
that I am ‘holding the pen’ and putting words in others’
mouths. Why dont you hold the pen. McTim, who now supports you on this, did use
the pen on the draft text. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Additionally, it is my ‘tentative’
judgment, open to being corrected, that a very large majority on this list do
support exploring all internationally recognized human rights - civil,
political, economic, social, cultural, and that to development – in the
context of the Internet. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This gives me adequate basis for proposing
this draft, which is open for members’ comments, and amendments. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is up to the members, as per their
political views, to support, oppose or ignore it – or engage with
providing alternative texts etc. And one must also always remain conscious that
in a larger group some give-and-take on developing common positions will be needed
to be made. For instance I have considerable problem with global corporations
exercising additional influence – as if their existing power was not
dominating enough – through multistakeholder policy forums, but would not
bring that issue up when this group is proposing positions of the ultimate
greatness of multistakeholder-ism. But of course it is a personal and political
decision for anyone to make or not make such compromises in a given situation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>>one faction that is temporarily
dominant….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Associating me with a ‘dominant
faction’, even if temporarily so, on this list is a welcome surprise. I haven’t
really seen myself that way. But thanks in any case : - )<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Parminder <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Milton L Mueller
[mailto:mueller@syr.edu] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 03,
2008 9:30 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [governance] Inputs
for synthesis paper</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> > Conceptions of 'rights and the Internet'
extend to the area of<br>
>> > positive<br>
>> > rights - for instance in the area of access, where a 'right to
the<br>
>> > Internet' is being articulated by some groups, and to collective
rights<br>
>> > like cultural rights, including the right to have an Internet in
ones<br>
>> > own language, which can underpin the<br>
> > important IGF thematic area of cultural diversity.<br>
<br>
I oppose this language. As I have made clear, I don't think there is such a
thing as a collective right, or a positive right that is meaningful in this
context, and have no idea what is meant by "cultural rights" --
except that people have spent centuries violating all kinds of rights --
expression, association, life -- in an attempt to protect collectivities or
cultures.<br>
<br>
I see that Parminder has chosen to ignore extensive evidence of contention
around this issue on the list, and apparently thinks he can put his own views
into our mouths. As always, we can engage with these disagreements honestly, or
dishonestly; i.e., we can recognize in the statement differences of views about
what rights are and how they are defined, or we one faction that is temporarily
dominant and holding the pen.<br>
<br>
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