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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">very interesting debate in which very
little African takes part and yet the problem of technical Community
relates to all the countries of the world without exception.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">For my part these process testify to
ignorance of these challenge in Africa and also difficulty which we
have to reach the Net with a good flow. In Africa majority of Net
using is done within the framework of service and cybercafés.
In some countries this use starts to be common in residence, only in
capitals or big cities. In services and cybercafés users are
for majority ignore name of navigator who allows them to sail on the
fabric. Out put the data processing specialists and impassioned
technologies others have for only concern of having access to their
Web pages. For the case of the data processing specialists they are
more occupied making turn their systems, to try to include/understand
why the Net spends its time releasing them where has to already allow
an acceptable flow to employees. Under such conditions it is
difficult to take part in some important debate. Another problem is
channel of information moving. How much people and which are the
categories of people who have access to information in Africa?Another
matter come from numeric illiteracy.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">debate on " technical community
"' concept would deserve to be clearly specified so to extend
debate to multiactors engaged in challenge of Net of future.</p>
Baudouin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/25 Michael Gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Milton,<br>
<br>
A couple of points:<br>
that the Technical Community produces a document with which CS<br>
agrees really has little to do with whether there should or should not be a<br>
separate Forum (or anything else)... Various groups produce all sorts of<br>
documents many of which others agree which doesn't mean that they should<br>
merge themselves into a common presentation mode.<br>
<br>
from my observation the difference in the presenters and the topics<br>
of presentation at the TC Forum and the CS Forum were a sufficient argument<br>
to justify separate but equal and to a degree complimentary and mutually<br>
re-inforcing forums<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/docs/itc_agenda_20080612.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/docs/itc_agenda_20080612.pdf</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/" target="_blank">http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/</a><br>
<br>
Perhaps a larger lesson there for this discussion?<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
MG<br>
</font><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>]<br>
Sent: June 25, 2008 8:52 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Michael Gurstein<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">Subject: RE: [governance] Internet Technical Community Background Document<br>
to OECD Ministerial<br>
<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Michael Gurstein [mailto:<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>]<br>
><br>
> I'm not exactly sure how this might fit into the recent discussion<br>
> concerning the role of the Technical Community in CS but I would<br>
commend<br>
> those interested to a very interesting and useful document<br>
> prepared/presented by ISOC as a background paper to the OECD<br>
Ministerial<br>
> in<br>
> Seoul. <a href="http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/docs/usercentric_en_2008.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/docs/usercentric_en_2008.pdf</a><br>
It is<br>
> a<br>
> document with which I think, CS would have very little disagreement<br>
and<br>
> very<br>
> much to support.<br>
<br>
Well now. I don't want to sound crabby, I really don't.<br>
<br>
But one might ask, if the "technical community" produces documents that we<br>
agree mostly with, and if (as some self-identified spokespersons for it<br>
insist) they should be considered part of "civil society," then why did ISOC<br>
insist on having a separate OECD Stakeholder Forum from civil society?<br>
<br>
When the OECD process started, some of us in CS tried very hard to include<br>
ISOC and the "TC" in the same stakeholder forum. In fact we ended up with<br>
silos that segregated the two.<br>
<br>
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