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dear all: <br>
Unfortunately we also could not attend this global telecenter alliances
activity in Budapest<br>
hope it will be successfull<br>
<br>
FYI: What we did in Indonesia We are having our bottom up innitiative
of public internet center (PIC) ... majority are privately owned by SME
<br>
that we gathered under our association of community internet center in
Indonesia ( APWKomitel)<br>
recently we signed an MOU collaboration between APWKomitel Indonesia
and Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia <br>
for collaboration on finding the right business model for public
intenret center both private sector ( warnet, internet cafe, hotspot
center) and <br>
government/donor innitiative center (telecenter, community internet
center).<br>
<br>
regards, rudi rusdiah - apwkomitel ( member in mailing list 3,200 and
member of pic 600 in indonesia).. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.apwkomitel.org">http://www.apwkomitel.org</a><br>
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Michael Gurstein wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Willie,
I'd be interested in working on this on behalf of the Global Telecentre
Alliance which willed itself into formal existance at a conference in
Budapest a couple of weeks ago.
I'm behind in my follow-up responsibilities in that context (I've been
travelling since the conference) but I'd look to act as a conduit between
this grouping and the GTA at least in the interim.
Best to all,
MG
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From: Jeanette Hofmann [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu">mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu</a>]
Sent: June 6, 2008 3:08 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wcurrie@apc.org">wcurrie@apc.org</a>
Cc: George Sadowsky; Suresh Ramasubramanian; 'Adam Peake'
Subject: Re: [governance] How can civil society help the Internet to
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wcurrie@apc.org">wcurrie@apc.org</a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi George, Suresh, Parminder, Adam and others
What APC has in mind is the presentation of a kind of manifesto of
this emerging multi-stakeholder consensus around access to the internet at
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<pre wrap=""><!---->the IGF in Hyderabad. We discussed this with ISOC and BASIS at the May open
consultations on the IGF meetinog in Hyderabad. And we recognised that a
number of governments should be brought in. I was in Nairobi a few weeks ago
and heard an incredible talk by Dr Bitanga Ndemo, permanent secretary to the
Coms ministry on the very exciting developments around broadband access
that the Kenyan government is spearheading with other countries in East
Africa like Uganda, Rwanda and Tanzania.. The initiative is impressive
because it has taken on board the history of failure in this area in the
past and is mindful of the chain of connectivity from submarine cables
through to the last mile as well as looking at the regional as well as
national and local dimensions of broadband access.. Kenya was one of the
first African countries to liberalise
VoIP, for example.. And if this East African initiative succeeds it could
have a knock on effect through Africa.
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<pre wrap="">I imagine the Indian, Egyptian, Japanese, Brazilian and Swiss
governments may also be willing to participate as core partners to judge
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<pre wrap=""><!---->from their previous and future participation in the IGF and WSIS processes.
The idea is not to make the process unwieldy by bringing on too many
partners prior to the announcement, but to try and ensure that a small
number of each stakeholder group is involved.
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<pre wrap="">I think there would be space to address the national levels of
implementation and monitoring like a national scorecard as George suggests
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<pre wrap=""><!---->by using the announcment at the IGF to put this in motion for reportback at
the Cairo IGF. As well as the suggestions Suresh, Karl and others have made.
The idea is not so much to have a workshop as a multi-stakeholder
presentation of the manifesto in a kind of special event at the IGF..
Obviously this manifesto would not be anything the IGF should have to
formally endorse. But stakeholders could be asked to add their names to it.
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<pre wrap="">If the IGC were keen to join this initiative that would be great.
Perhaps a small working group of interested participants from the IGC
could work on this offlist and reportback to the main list - to make
it more manageable. I would like to suggest that Karen Banks
facilitates this process.
Willie
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From: George Sadowsky <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:george.sadowsky@attglobal.net"><george.sadowsky@attglobal.net></a>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:08:35 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:To:governance@lists.cpsr.org">To:governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>,"Suresh
Ramasubramanian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a>,"'Adam Peake'" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp"><ajp@glocom.ac.jp></a>
Subject: RE: [governance] How can civil society help the Internet to
I agree that these are local or national issues and demand local
knowledge. That implies that they demand local effort to change.
So would it not make sense to concentrate upon collecting and/or
disseminating information about strategies, i.e. case studies, that
have worked in places an might be of use to others. I don't mean
grand strategies, I mean vignettes that illustrate particular
successes. If there were a workshop dedicated to this, I could see 10
presentations of 5 minutes each, followed by discussion.
We have rough consensus (oops! that's an IETF criterion!) on what
policies lead to the desired outcome. Now let's talk about
implementation strategies an tactics. Are there ways to organize, or
use existing organizations, at the national level to move closer to
these goals?
George
At 10:07 PM +0530 6/5/08, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
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<pre wrap="">A lot of the competition policy issues (regulator favoring the
incumbent telco, local telcos colluding to fix prices on one side,
and not trusting each other to peer on the other etc) do get
addressed at a local level by
1. Talking to the telcos and ISPs concerned, engaging with them on
discussions
2. In some cases, suing in a consumer court, approaching the telecom
/ consumer ombudsman, right to information act filings etc get widely
(and with varying degrees of effectiveness) used by local groups. Oh
yes, and media attention to these issues.
Some other issues are mitigated by capacity building, distribution of
free / cheap software on CDs (the Australian government was handing
out CDs with ubuntu linux and some other software back in 2005 - I
remember picking one up when I was at APRICOT in Perth, just for
example..)
But you will agree I hope, that most of these are entirely local
issues and require local knowledge, local coordination. Global
coordination in these areas would be much more valuable in sharing
experiences, and developing a set of shared best practices (nothing
on the grand scale John Perry Barlow's declaration of independence of
cyberspace)
Suresh
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<pre wrap=""> -----Original Message-----
From: George Sadowsky [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:george.sadowsky@attglobal.net">mailto:george.sadowsky@attglobal.net</a>]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:53 PM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Adam Peake
Subject: Re: [governance] How can civil society help the Internet
to
Yes, the APC paper addresses many of these
issues, and it is potentially a very useful
document.
I want to go a step further. Granted that there
is an evolving consensus regarding issues
surrounding access, what is the next step? Is
this something to start a national scorecard on?
Is it something to be followed up at the national
level in all countries? I fear that continuing
to stress it at the IGF will result in, for the
most part, the converted preaching to the
converted.
This is an area, where in general you have an
alignment of civil society, the Internet
community, and most of the business community.
On the other side, generally, you have
governments and businesses (often telcos) that
have monopoly or controlling positions.
At some point, words don't go further in an
alignment like that. What can be done further?
George
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