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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>George<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I will do nothing much more than to cut-paste
the UN’s recent press release on MAG’s rotation to show that your description
of the situation is very one-sided. “Serves in personal’ capacity
is a part-corrective term over normal UN forums/ meetings where countries and organizations
get represented, and anyone can come in on the behalf of these organizations. It
doesn’t not completely take away the representative, and stakeholder
group, basis of MAG selection as is obvious from the statement below. In fact,
as pointed out in a discussion on this issue on this list a while back, UN SG’s
statements have progressively underlined the representative / stakeholder group
basis of the MAG membership more and more since its formation. This is
precisely to check against the over-simplified implication of the term ‘personal
capacity’ which some people have tried to draw. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks. Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<h1><b><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>MANDATE
OF ADVISORY GROUP OF INTERNET GOVERNANCE FORUM EXTENDED<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h1>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The mandate of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group of the Internet
Governance Forum has been extended. The Special Adviser for Internet
Governance to the Secretary-General, Nitin Desai, has been asked to continue as
the Chairman of the Advisory Group, which will meet again on 13 to 15 May in
Geneva before handing over to a renewed group to prepare the next Internet
Governance Forum meeting in Hyderabad, India, on 3 to 6 December.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The Advisory Group will renew up to one third of its members within
each stakeholder group. All relevant stakeholder groups, representing
Governments, private sector and civil society, including the academic and
technical communities will submit names to the Internet Governance Forum
Secretariat. All members serve in their personal capacity, but are
expected to have extensive linkages with relevant stakeholder groups.
Members need to be willing to reach out and ensure continuous flow of
information to and from interested groups and to participate actively and
constructively in the Group’s work. More details are available on
the Internet Governance Forum website: <a
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/">www.intgovforum.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-indent:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The Internet Governance Forum is an outcome of the Tunis phase of the
World Summit on the Information Society, which took place in 2005. In the
Tunis Agenda for the Information Society, Governments asked the
Secretary-General to convene a “new forum for policy dialogue” to
discuss issues related to key elements of Internet governance and set out the
Forum’s mandate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Forum’s first two meetings took place in
Athens in November 2006 and in Rio de Janeiro in November 2007. A
stock-taking session in Geneva on 26 February 2008 showed broad support for a
continuation of the multi-stakeholder preparatory process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> George Sadowsky
[mailto:george.sadowsky@attglobal.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 02, 2008 7:11
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Milton
L Mueller; Robert Guerra<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [governance] Re:
Nomcom and conflict of interest</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Milton,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>When you say below, "Who represents us on the MAG," I have to
point out that all MAG members serve in their individual capacity and do not
represent any external group. That point has been made repeatedly by
Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I suspect that you are aware of this and that the phrasing below was
just not well thought out. But others may not, and it's a crucial
distinction to be remembered. The group is not selecting its
representatives; rather it is selecting those people in whom they have
confidence will distinguish themselves if selected as effective MAG members in
the public interest, according to the rules of the MAG.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I know that it must be frustrating not to be able to draw your own
conclusions from direct observation, but it is my opinion that the majority of
MAG members, when speaking in MAG meetings, do try to represent a general and
public interest, admittedly each through their individual lenses, rather than
being explicitly channeled by narrower interests dictated by their background
or the organization from which they come.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>George<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At 12:53 PM -0400 6/2/08, Milton L Mueller wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Robert Guerra
[mailto:lists@privaterra.info]<br>
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2. In my view - RIRs should be included as a full member in our IGC
discussions.<br>
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<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>Robert,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>I think you have missed the target in this
increasingly tiresome discussion. No one - not me, not Parminder, not anyone
else - has ever proposed to exclude RIR representatives from our discussions.
Indeed, I have urged people here to get involved in RIR policy discussion
lists, and vice-versa. No one disputes that RIRs play an important role in
global IG, either. As has been said repeatedly, the real issue is: who
represents us on the MAG - "us" being the IGC - when we discuss RIR
policy in the context of the IGF? Do you want an RIR staff person or an
independent voice? Same goes for ICANN, ITU, WIPO, etc. Is there not a problem
if our "representative" in discussions of ICANN is someone who works
for ICANN? No one has ever said that ICANN or an RIR should not be able to
participate in the broader discussions of their role in global internet
governance. The issue is who represents _<i><span style='font-style:italic'>us</span></i>_
in that discussion. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>As I said earlier,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>RIR's membership is predominantly, though not
exclusively, composed of commercial hosting companies and ISPs -- the most
common consumers of IP address blocks. But there are also govt agencies and CS
groups. RIRs are better thought of as multi-stakeholder regulatory
organizations, not as CS, business or govt. Within the framework of IGF and the
Tunis Agenda, they fit squarely in the category of "international
organizations" along with ICANN. So of course RIRs and ICANN, like other
international governance organizations such as OECD or ITU, will be and
absolutely should be represented in the MAG and in panels, etc. -- as IOs.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>As governance entities RIRs are accountable
to _<i><span style='font-style:italic'>their own members</span></i>_ not to us
(IGC). As governors, RIR leaders should be accountable to and listen to what
the different sectors of society have to say about IG policy. They are welcome
on our list, they are welcome in our dialogue. But they are not our
representatives. They are representatives of their own memberships. I don't see
how anyone can deny this simple observation. IG organizations should not have a
dual, contradictory role. And since RIRs are extremely well-resourced
organizations that are well-represented in every conceivable IG Forum, it is
hard to understand this manufactured complaint about their somehow being
excluded and powerless in these dialogues. It is getting a bit silly, is it
not?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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