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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In other words, Guru, a unilateral decision is made as to just
who is CS and who is not (and as I have pointed out, opinion differs).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>So far your arguments have been very specious, consisting of –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Arbitrarily claiming that a particular class of organizations
are not CS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Citing individual people as counter examples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>As far as I can see, McTim made a very inspired guess when he
speculated as to why the RIRs and others identified themselves as PS rather
than CS – he pointed out the apparent hostility of various CS groups,
coupled with a broadly stated desire to gain oversight and control (there’s
no such thing as “soft oversight” – and certainly not in the
direction this is heading), ignoring all the existing, and open processes in
these organizations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoQuote>You have, as in the statement above, always made your
political sympathies and position clear (and parminder or milton's position is
no more or no less political than yours! This is to respond to your 'I don't
see the caucus as "political" at all. It SHOULD NOT be IMO'). <br>
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color:#1F497D'>Come on, Guru … if Parminder and Milton play politics (as
you seem to suggest, and I completely agree), any counter to such a political
argument must necessarily be couched in political terms. If the argument is
not outright dismissed as inappropriate for this forum and set to lead it in a
completely wrong direction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> suresh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Guru [mailto:guru@itforchange.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; McTim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Parminder<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>McTim,<br>
<br>
It is incorrect rather inaccurate for you to state that<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>"This is your position, (and Guru's)."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal>Ian who as the chair of nomcom shared the report with IGC,
has already explained in detail the logic of that para in the nomcom report in
a mail of his. <br>
<br>
The relevant part of the report states <br>
"Again there was no consensus on this issue within the NomCom – but
there were seen to be potential<br>
conflicts of interest involved for employees and this was combined with the
precedent<br>
already established within CS Caucus to not accept nominations from full time<br>
employees of existing Internet governance organizations in arriving at our
decision".<br>
<br>
Adam has come on the list to support this statement in the report, that this is
in keeping with the IGC position. <br>
<br>
Milton and Parminder have also given explanations for this position. I have
done the same earlier, as to why the CEO of ICANN or the CEO of a RIR cannot be
endorsed by IGC to MAG as a CS representative. We need to consider the interests/positions/perspectives
the person will represent and it is not right that 'Bertrand as a signatory to
the IGC charter' can be considered as a IGC nominee to MAG, when he represents
French Govt at GAC. <br>
<br>
Even if diverse, CS does stand for a set of positions that basically seek to
extract accountability from governance institutions. Hence it is wrong to
completely ignore the conflict of interest possibilities for a full time
employee or a CEO of a IG organization and consider him/her for CS candidature.
(As I have mentioned earlier, I am all for moving towards a world where all
those who are governed have also a good role and part in governance itself,
however it is not reality today and pretending otherwise will continue imo to
perpetuate the current distortions in IG). In terms of identifying which
institutions would be covered under this conflict of interest and what kinds of
employment (full time / CEO/ consultants/ part time etc) could need discussion.
Yet the basic principle of 'conflict of interest' needs to be accepted, this is
the very premise on which multi-stakeholder principle is based. And we need to
have this clarity on who will represent CS in MAG as well, which was partly
made clear in the IGC submission to Feb 2008 consultations.<br>
<br>
The signing of the charter by a person cannot be a sole consideration either
way - we consciously tried to get nominations of people from CS outside the IGC
(this was also discussed quite a bit on the list), also membership on the list
is not a sufficient criterion for nomination. The nature of an organization
being non-profit cannot be in itself a sufficient consideration for ICANN to be
CS (by this token all Govts would be CS!). When even ICANN and RIRs identified
themselves as PS, it is quite odd that you keep insisting that they are CS -
being more loyal than the King :-)<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>And you wonder why these IG orgs identified with PS in WSIS? Maybe<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>it's because they'd rather have a nice hug rather than a kick in the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ass. I know which I prefer!<o:p></o:p></pre>
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You have, as in the statement above, always made your political sympathies and
position clear (and parminder or milton's position is no more or no less
political than yours! This is to respond to your 'I don't see the caucus as
"political" at all. It SHOULD NOT be IMO'). <br>
<br>
Guru<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div>
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