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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The red cross has no authority to perform its services? I
am sorry but you will find that you are mistaken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>National red cross bodies tend to have specific roles, and are
governed by an international convention (the geneva convention among others) ..
such as this one for the American Red Cross – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><a href="http://mowercounty.redcross.org/AboutUs/charters2.html">http://mowercounty.redcross.org/AboutUs/charters2.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Unlike
other congressionally chartered organizations, the Red Cross maintains a
special relationship with the federal government. It has the legal status of
"a federal instrumentality," due to its charter requirements to carry
out responsibilities delegated to it by the federal government. Among these
responsibilities are: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>to perform all
duties incumbent upon a national society in accordance with the spirit and
conditions of the Geneva Conventions to which the United States is a
signatory, <o:p></o:p></span></li>
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mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>to provide
family communications and other forms of assistance to members of the U.S.
military, and <o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>to maintain a
system of domestic and international disaster relief, including mandated
responsibilities under the Federal Response Plan coordinated by the
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). <o:p></o:p></span></li>
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color:#1F497D'>In fact it is a classic case of an organization that has
specific, even chartered and mandated, roles, but still remains essentially
civil society and multistakeholder in nature (so that the .org gTLD it has for
its domain is entirely appropriate). Oh, quite a lot like
ICANN in fact except that ICANN is a US government chartered institution that
later grew to include international stakeholders, including governments (gac),
civ soc (ncuc) etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> suresh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Guru [mailto:guru@itforchange.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lee McKnight<br>
<b>Cc:</b> dogwallah@gmail.com; governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] What this debate is really about<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif"'>thanks Lee<br>
<br>
While I agree with your point that the distinctions amongst the groups is
itself dynamic, the Red Cross analogy seems a bit too stretched. <br>
<br>
Performing relief services is not a governance function by itself, since Red
Cross has no authority to perform its services. (In contrast ICANN has the
authority to approve gtlds etc). Also a voluntary tax is an oxymoron.<br>
<br>
In my mail too, I have mentioned that we are moving towards new worlds where
the distinctions between the governed and those governing will blur/become more
complex (that the IGF itself a process in that direction). But there is no
ambiguity in my mind about ICANN not being CS at this point in time for the
reasons I have mentioned. <br>
<br>
Also I think global governance issues are very complex, I am not quite sure if
the movement we want is of ICANN to become CS, or for IABs to develop (better)
accountability structures as governing institutions to those they govern
(meaning keeping the distinction between the governed and governing transparent),
rather than compromise on these under the ambivalence of becoming
'participatory' etc etc. <br>
<br>
regards,<br>
Guru<br>
</span><br>
Lee McKnight wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Guru,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Not to get too pedantic (probably hard to do on this list) but poli sci<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>theory includes large literatures on 'voluntary associations' and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>interest group politics, who do govern themselves, and in the case of eg<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>standards organizations, can make decisions that have wide effects on<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>industry, government and society. We could get into corporatist and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>neocorporatist theory here too, but ok now I am getting too pedantic.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>In sum, there may be global Internet governance institutions that are<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>closer, in both philosophy and objective, to civil society, and others<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>further removed. I for one would be delighted if ICANN, ISOC and IETF<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>etc were to wish to identify more closely with civil society, and see no<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>case in the literature for excluding them a priori. For example the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>International Red Cross - performs (governs) critical emergency<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>functions, is organized as an international organization, is closer or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>further removed from the government in specific nations - but we would<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>not exclude the Red Cross in spite of its 'voluntary tax' in times of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>emergency powers - from civil society. Right?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Lee<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Prof. Lee W. McKnight<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>School of Information Studies<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Syracuse University<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>+1-315-443-6891office<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>+1-315-278-4392 mobile<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>____________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Gurumurthy K<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>IT for Change,Bangalore | <a
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