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<font face="Book Antiqua">Suresh<br>
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How is this consistent with your previous mail that <br>
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some PERSON has CS cred, he has CS cred, regardless of whatever
organization
(private sector, intl org, “ IAB” etc) that he happens to work for.</span><br>
<br>
Not able to understand your position.<br>
<br>
Guru<br>
<br>
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="">1.<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It
is up to him to stand for election. And to declare any
conflicts of interest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="">2.<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It
is THEN up to the nomcomm to evaluate his statement of
candidacy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="">3.<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It
is not, with all due respect, up to the nomcomm to apply a
blanket ban<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Guru [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:guru@itforchange.net">mailto:guru@itforchange.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2008 10:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Suresh Ramasubramanian<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; 'Avri Doria'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Nomcom and conflict of interest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: "Book Antiqua","serif";">Suresh<br>
<br>
Bertrand has been active member of IGC and as a CS person in WSIS. He
is currently
member of GAC, representing Govt of France. Do you think that he can
also be
nominated by IGC to MAG under CS quota? </span><br>
<br>
<span style="font-family: "Book Antiqua","serif";">Guru<br>
</span><br>
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
will agree with Avri’s definition 100%, and again submit that if
some PERSON has CS cred, he has CS cred, regardless of whatever
organization
(private sector, intl org, “ IAB” etc) that he happens to work for.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Guru [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:guru@itforchange.net">mailto:guru@itforchange.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2008 9:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>;
Avri Doria<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Nomcom and conflict of interest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: "Book Antiqua","serif";">Avri,<br>
<br>
There is a serious problem when the same term is used to mean two
different
things. It leads to a lot of confusion, when in an argument one person
is using
one meaning and the other person, the second meaning.<br>
<br>
Can we try and use two different terms for these two categories.<br>
<br>
We could consistently use <br>
<br>
A. IAB (Internet Administration Bodies) for those "</span>those
_organizations_ that focus on work, often in a partially coordinated
manner, intended to insure the technical integrity and technical
development of
the Internet." I would add - 'and participate in the administration /
governance of the internet'. The IGC submission in the feb
consultations
clearly covered this group when it stated that the participation of
IABs in MAG
should not be at the cost of CS participation'<br>
<br>
B. and use 'technical experts' (i am sure better names are possible)
for
individuals - these experts can belong to Govt or Business or CS groups
(as
also suggested by Raul). <br>
<br>
Guru<br>
ps- Still waiting from responses on this question from Suresh and
McTim..<br>
<br>
<br>
Avri Doria wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 26 May 2008, at 11:27, Raul Echeberria wrote: <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are still many people that prefer to keep
the
classification in 3 stakeholders group. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
and it is those people who make the rules. we don't get to decide how
many stakeholder groups there are in things that derive from the WSIS
decisions. we can argue for change, but we alone do not make the
rules. <br>
<br>
the WSIS Tunis Agenda defined 3 groups plus 2 cross-cutting groups. so
within this environment we seem to be stuck with 3 stakeholder groups
and 2
cross-cutting groups. <br>
<br>
btw, in another thread someone asked for a definition of the Internet
technical
Community. in addition to what i have written abut it before i define
it
as: <br>
<br>
those _organizations_ that focus on work, often in a partially
coordinated manner, intended to insure the technical integrity and
technical
development of the Internet. <br>
<br>
the term can also be applied to those individuals, whether they come
from
government, business or civil society who devote their lives to the
cause of
Internet technical integrity and technical development and who work
with or for
these organizations. yes, i see this as somewhat problematic and at
the
time of WSIS argued for a 4th house - the Internet Technical
Community.
but as history shows, this was rejected and thus we, pragmatically,
need to
live with what we've got until the ground rules change. <br>
<br>
and I agree with Raul when he says: <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In that case we have o let anybody to decide to
which group
they feel closer. <br>
Maybe some people in the so called "technical community" feel closer
from
the business sector, and others, like me feels part of civil society
organizations space. <o:p></o:p></p>
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a. <br>
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