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S<font face="Book Antiqua">uresh <br>
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You have used the term technical community in your mail where you
asserted that Milton and Parminder want to keep the technical community
out (which I have said is a misrepresentation)<br>
<br>
Can you please share your definition of this term 'technical
community', so that we cease to use it equivocally. (Mc Tim look
forward to your definition as well)<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Guru<br>
<br>
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Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">As
I said, if they have CS cred, and CS backgrounds, they are CS, period –
whoever their employer may be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Deliberately
exclusionary language and positions like this are completely against
the letter
and the spirit of the charter. Besides, such language serves to
deprive you
of a major asset – a large majority of CS just don’t have the
necessary technical awareness to meaningfully participate in these
discussions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">By
alienating these people (and quite a few of them, such as Kieren, have
solid CS
cred behind them), you are robbing yourself of some of your best and
most
potent advocates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Which
is why I have, so frequently, called for DIPLO and other organizations
to
empower and facilitate bridge courses for CS to meaningfully
participate
in these discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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suresh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span
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Guru [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:guru@itforchange.net">mailto:guru@itforchange.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2008 12:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>;
Suresh Ramasubramanian<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Rui Correia'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Mercenaries on the list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family: "Book Antiqua","serif";">Suresh<br>
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Repeatedly on this list, I (and Parminder and others) have sought the
definition of the 'technical community'. This term is being used
ambiguously to
reflect two different ideas:<br>
<br>
a. people who have technical expertise - such as yourself, McTim,
Carlos, Izumi
etc etc<br>
b. Organizations that are currently performing Internet
Administration/Governance (who we termed as IAB in a earlier discussion
on the
list) - which basically implies the people who represent them </span><br>
<br>
I don't think it is anyones case that the first group is to be
completely kept
out of CS. If that is what you are implying in your mail below, that is
the
position of Parminder and Milton , then I suggest that it is a
misrepresentation.<br>
<br>
On the other hand, wrt IAB, the position of IGC is clear. See the the
Civil
Society Internet Governance Caucus’s Inputs for the Open IGF
Consultations, Geneva, 26th February, 2008 - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/IGC%20-%20MAG%20Rotation.pdf">http://www.igcaucus.org/IGC%20-%20MAG%20Rotation.pdf</a><br>
<br>
"We agree that the organizations having an important role in Internet
administration and the development of Internet-related technical
standards
should continue to be represented in the MAG. However, their
representation
should not be at the expense of civil society participation".<br>
<br>
As I mentioned in my previous mail, IGC selects members for the CS
quota. Hence
it seems clear to me that IABs (being people who represent IABs) cannot
seek
representation in MAG through IGC / with IGC endorsement.<br>
<br>
Guru<o:p></o:p></p>
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