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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry, Bill and others who may have raised
points that I may have not been able to address. I am very busy in an ITfC organized
workshop on ‘ICTs in Indian education policy’ in New delhi, though
I have dutifully kept an eye on all emails to the list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Aslo, as you will all understand, at this
point of the consensus process, I would not like to get into too many
discussions </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However since Bill asks for some clarification
before he could say yes or no (though I note he has said yes to all in a later
email) I thought I should clarify.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>> ”---so all aspects of IG to be
viewed as rights issues, not just access?), its connection to internationally
agreed HR vs creating new rights, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes, that how it is. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also I will clean up the proposals to my
best ability, if the consensus is reached, in the little time I will have today
before submitting, but if I cant, I think they will let us do it in the next
2-3 days, and that MAG wouldn’t start to see the proposals immediately. I
will submit three proposals ands will ask Milton to submit the post-JPA one,
that is, to repeat, if the consensus carries. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> William Drake
[mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 28, 2008 10:56
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Singh, Parminder; Governance<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] IGF
workshops</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=4 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Parminder,<br>
<br>
Thanks for this. If we could clarify something before having to say yes
or no, I’d appreciate it.<br>
<br>
Is the idea that the IGC would be submitting only responses to the questions
that are supposed to be answered by 30 April, # 1, 2, 4 and 9? Of are you
thinking of plugging in all the material now at hand for all nine, irrespective
of what state it’s in and whether it’s ready for prime time?
If it is the latter, maybe others have a different view, but I
wouldn’t think it would be a procedural violation of the consensus call
to simply edit out some of the various process comments being exchanged among
WG members within these docs, like “NB. Workshop duration is 90mn, which
means that we should have no more than 6-7 panelists plus chair” and
“it would be good to have a government (or two) and an intergovermmental
as co-sponsors - i would propose the COE/UNESCO as possibilities - brazil, uk,
australia, others?” and “we need to work on thisk, but for sure it
will if we get the right people as speakers” and lists of people/orgs
that might (or might not) be contacted about cosponsoring/speaking...etc.
It would be odd to me anyway to include such material in something that
will be reviewed by the MAG. <br>
<br>
<br>
A couple of substantive comments FWIW, which is not much I guess, given that
I’ve missed the deadline.<br>
<br>
I’m still having a hard time getting my head around the precise focus of
the rights proposal (“What is lacking is a rights framework for Internet
governance that can address these issues and conflicts at each
‘layer’ of the Internet environment, from the critical Internet
resources of infrastructure and code through to the content and applications
that they support”---so all aspects of IG to be viewed as rights issues,
not just access?), its connection to internationally agreed HR vs creating new
rights, etc. <br>
<br>
On the Fulfilling WS, I wonder how helpful it is to frame it in terms of this
binary: “Some believe that there are elements of the IGF's mandate
that have been overlooked or minimised in its operation to date.
Others maintain, to the contrary, that the IGF must contain the overreaching
ambitions of those who would transform it from a non-binding forum for
discussion into something more.?” Some MAGites et al might
read this as suggesting that those who think elements of the mandate have been
overlooked by definition want to “transform it from a non-binding
forum,” which is not representative of the range of views/options and
could set off alarm bells and bring us back to the pre-Rio worrying about this
being ‘controversial’ etc. BTW, this needs to list at least
one or two cosponsors, no? Has the WG reached out to anyone?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
On 4/28/08 6:21 PM, "Parminder" <parminder@itforchange.net>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'><br>
Hi all<br>
<br>
Please find enclosed the full text of four workshop proposals, that IGC<br>
proposes to sponsor at the IGF, Hyderabad. <br>
<br>
1. The Transboundary Internet: Jurisdiction, Control and Sovereignty<br>
<br>
2. The Future of ICANN: After the JPA, What?<br>
<br>
3. A Rights Agenda for Internet Governance<br>
<br>
4. The role and mandate of the IGF<br>
<br>
<br>
These are being put for a 48 hour consensus process. If a consensus or a<br>
rough consensus is made out, these proposals will be submitted to the IGF<br>
secretariat on the 30th, around 5 PM GMT. <br>
<br>
Please indicate a clear 'yes' or 'no' for forwarding these proposals, as<br>
they stand...<br>
<br>
While additional comments justifying a yes or no vote may be made, they<br>
should follow a clear unqualified 'yes' or 'no'.<br>
<br>
In fact such additional comments are welcome especially in case of a 'no'<br>
vote, because it helps calling a possible rough consensus, taking into<br>
consideration the nature and the extent of dissent. <br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Parminder </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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