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<font size=3>hi meryem and all<br><br>
thanks michael for taking the proposal through the caucus concensus
process.. <br><br>
as michael noted, i was in a two day meeting all day/night - which was
pretty relevant to what we're talking about here.. the freedom of
expression initiative - which is developing a principle/value framework
rooted in human rights (primarily article19, but others) - lisa
horner, who works with global partners, the organisation leading the
process, was involved in the workshop discussions<br><br>
<a href="http://www.freedomofexpression.org.uk/" eudora="autourl">
http://www.freedomofexpression.org.uk/<br><br>
</a>we missed your input and experience meryem, so hope you will have
time to comment once we get past today's deadlines..<br><br>
karen<br><br>
At 17:49 29/04/2008, Meryem Marzouki wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Michael,<br><br>
this is to answer your mail below and the message you sent earlier
on <br>
this issue.<br>
I've made clear that I won't oppose that IGC propose this workshop,
<br>
and moreover I've made clear that this is because I haven't been
able <br>
to take to the discussions in due time.<br><br>
So you can count my comments as a "yes", or as an abstention,
but <br>
certainly not as a "no".<br><br>
I simply made these comments not to reopen any discussion *now*,
but <br>
in view of possible further refinements of the proposal, after its
<br>
submission.<br>
As a matter of fact, I note from your new subject line that you
seem <br>
to also think there is a difference between "rights to" and
"rights <br>
on" the Internet. What I was saying is that the current formulation/
framing was mixing both, and, in my opinion, this is inappropriate
<br>
and counterproductive.<br><br>
I'll be happy to join dicussions, after submission deadline, on
<br>
refining this proposal.<br><br>
Best,<br>
Meryem<br><br>
Le 29 avr. 08 à 18:39, Michael Gurstein a écrit :<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><br>
Karen, my co-convenor on the "Rights" Workshop is travelling
I <br>
think, at the<br>
moment...<br><br>
In my earlier note in this thread I didn't mean to imply that the<br>
formulation of the "Rights" Workshop was not a work in progress
where<br>
additional inputs would not be welcomed but rather that it was a
<br>
bit late to<br>
re-open the discussion prior to the April 30 deadline.<br><br>
So far, contributors to the consensus on the current formulation of
<br>
the<br>
Workshop (apart from Karen/APC, Parminder and myself) have included
<br>
Max<br>
Senges, Konstantinos Komaitis, Robert Guerra, Max Senges,
Robin <br>
Gross, Lisa<br>
Horner, vittorio Bertola and linda misek-falkoff. (apologies if
<br>
I've missed<br>
anyone).<br><br>
Certainly more contributors are welcomed and we can either continue
<br>
with a<br>
thread on the full list or, as we did earlier develop an inclusive
<br>
side<br>
discussion.<br><br>
MG<br><br>
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From: Jeanette Hofmann
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Cc: Parminder<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] IGF workshops<br><br>
<br>
A yes to all 4 workshop proposals from me as well.<br>
I hope though that the one on rights will be revised after the
<br>
submission.<br>
jeanette<br><br>
shaila mistry wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">"Yes" to all four
workshops<br>
Shaila Rao Mistry<br><br>
*/Parminder <parminder@itforchange.net>/* wrote:<br><br>
<br>
Hi all<br><br>
Please find enclosed the full text of four workshop
proposals, <br>
that</blockquote>IGC<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> proposes to
sponsor at the IGF, Hyderabad.<br><br>
1. The Transboundary Internet: Jurisdiction, Control
and<br>
Sovereignty<br><br>
2. The Future of ICANN: After the JPA, What?<br><br>
3. A Rights Agenda for Internet Governance<br><br>
4. The role and mandate of the IGF<br><br>
<br>
These are being put for a 48 hour consensus process.
If a <br>
consensus or</blockquote>a<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> rough
consensus is made out, these proposals will be submitted to<br>
the IGF<br>
secretariat on the 30th, around 5 PM GMT.<br><br>
Please indicate a clear 'yes' or 'no' for forwarding
these <br>
proposals,</blockquote>as<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> they
stand...<br><br>
While additional comments justifying a yes or no vote
may be <br>
made,</blockquote>they<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> should follow
a clear unqualified 'yes' or 'no'.<br><br>
In fact such additional comments are welcome
especially in <br>
case of a<br>
'no'<br>
vote, because it helps calling a possible rough
consensus, <br>
taking into<br>
consideration the nature and the extent of
dissent.<br><br>
Thanks<br><br>
Parminder<br>
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From: "Bret Fausett"
<bfausett@internet.law.pro><br>
To: <governance@lists.cpsr.org><br>
Subject: [governance] Workshop Proposal: Transboundary
Internet<br>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:57:53 +0530<br><br>
All, below is a draft workshop proposal that Meryem
Marzouki, <br>
William<br>
Drake, Ian Peter, Parminder Singh and I have been
working on. <br>
We plan<br>
to submit it by the deadline, but would like your
input and<br>
suggestions, on all aspects.<br>
-- Bret<br>
- - - - - D R A F T - - - - -<br>
1. Name of proposed
workshop<br>
The Transboundary Internet: Jurisdiction, Control and
Sovereignty<br>
2. Provide a concise
description of the proposed workshop <br>
theme<br>
including its importance and relevance to the
IGF.<br>
The Internet crosses the boundaries of all nations and
raises <br>
some<br>
unique transboundary jurisdictional problems. The
recent case <br>
of a<br>
British citizen living in Spain, with Internet servers
in the <br>
Bahamas,</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> selling
holidays to Cuba, and having his domain name impounded <br>
by a<br>
registrar located in the USA because it appeared to
break the US<br>
embargo against Cuba is one recent case in point.
Another <br>
landmark<br>
case was the French-US Yahoo! case in 1999 dealing
with sale <br>
of nazi<br>
memorabilia, but but apart from these high profile
content <br>
cases there</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> are many
examples in other areas such as privacy, consumer <br>
issues,<br>
cybercrime, and intellectual property.<br>
This workshop will discuss the many implications of
competing <br>
national</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> jurisdictions
being projected into a globalized space where <br>
multiple<br>
normative sources apply, such as political, legal,
technical,<br>
contractual, and behavioral regulations. Through
practical case<br>
studies, this workshop will look at the implications
of various<br>
approaches to resolving these issues and the
implications for <br>
Internet</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> governance,
international law, national sovereignty, <br>
democracy, and<br>
human rights and fundamental freedoms.<br>
The workshop also explores the implications for
Internet <br>
governance<br>
where no structures are in place to deal with emerging
issues, <br>
and how</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> default
unilateral action in the absence of structural <br>
alternatives<br>
can lead to de facto Internet governance.<br>
3. Provide the names and
affiliations of the panellists <br>
you are<br>
planning to invite. Describe the main actors in the
field and <br>
whether<br>
you have approached them about their willingness
to <br>
participate in<br>
proposed workshop.<br>
NB. Workshop duration is 90mn, which means that we
should have <br>
no more</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> than 6-7
panelists plus chair. This is a tentative list of <br>
speakers.<br>
• Maud de
Boer-Buquicchio, Deputy Secretary General, The<br>
Council of<br>
Europe<br>
• Manon Ress
/James Love, Knowledge Ecology<br>
International/CPTech, USA<br>
• Meryem Marzouki,
President, European Digital Rights, <br>
Europe<br>
• Bret A. Fausett,
Internet law Attorney, Cathcart, <br>
Collins &<br>
Kneafsey, LLP USA<br>
• Ian Peter,
Internet Analyst, Ian Peter and Associates,<br>
Australia<br>
• William Drake,
Graduate Institute of International and<br>
Development<br>
Studies, Switzerland<br>
Yet to be approached: other identified experts with
various<br>
perspectives on specific case studies.<br>
Themes to be discussed by speakers:<br>
• Liability and
the principle of the country of origin<br>
(off-line and<br>
on-line content): Convention on Transfrontier
television, Rome <br>
II,<br>
Convention on TV without Frontiers,<br>
• Consumer
protection, contracts, etc.: Hague Convention,<br>
E-commerce<br>
directive<br>
• Cybercrime: The
CoE Convention, its protocols and<br>
implementation<br>
activities<br>
• Technical and
contractual means: ISP charters and <br>
hotlines,<br>
blocking<br>
(cf. Pakistan case)<br>
• Harmonization of
national laws through intergovernmental<br>
agreements<br>
4. Provide the name of
the organizer(s) of the workshop <br>
and their</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> affiliation
to various stakeholder groups. Describe how you <br>
will take<br>
steps to adhere to the multi-stakeholder principle,
geographical<br>
diversity and gender balance.<br>
- The Civil
Society Internet Governance Caucus (Civil <br>
society)<br>
- The Council of
Europe TBC (Intergovernmental <br>
organization)<br>
- European Digital
Rights (Civil society)<br>
- Knowledge
Ecology International (KEI/CPTech) TBC (Civil<br>
society)<br>
- Ian Peter and
Associates TBC (Private sector)<br>
Yet to be approached: Some governments (e.g. France,
USA,<br>
Netherlands, ...); other intergovernmental
organizations (e.g. <br>
OSCE,<br>
OCDE,...), other private sector constituencies (e.g.
ISP <br>
associations,</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> newspaper
associations, registrars, search engine/social <br>
networking<br>
companies, ...); other civil society
constituencies.<br>
5. Does the proposed
workshop provide different <br>
perspectives on<br>
the<br>
issues under discussion?<br>
Yes. Expertise is being sought from various areas to
provide a<br>
comprehensive coverage of issues and perspectives
involved (to be<br>
updated later).<br>
6. Please explain how
the workshop will address issues <br>
relating<br>
to<br>
Internet governance and describe how the workshop
conforms <br>
with the<br>
Tunis Agenda in terms of substance and the mandate of
the IGF.<br>
The first and foremost need for global Internet
governance<br>
arrangements comes from the global, cross-boundaries
nature of <br>
the<br>
Internet. Issues with global Internet governance are
not only <br>
related<br>
to critical Internet resources management, but also to
the <br>
circulation</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> of content
and data and to the protection of the general<br>
communications infrastructure. Jurisdictions, control
and <br>
sovereignty<br>
issues are thus at the heart of global Internet
governance<br>
discussions. Given the difficulty to harmonize
national <br>
legislations,<br>
and given the issue of the competence of
jurisdictions, <br>
alternative<br>
methods to State regulations are more and more
considered, <br>
promoted<br>
and implemented. It is the very aim of this workshop
to <br>
explore and<br>
discuss these alternatives.<br>
TA: Para 72(b)(c)(g)(i)(k)<br>
7. List similar events
you and/or any other IGF workshops <br>
you<br>
have<br>
organized in the past.<br>
The Civil,Society Internet Governance Caucus and
other <br>
sponsors have<br>
organized workshops at previous IGF meetings (to be
updated <br>
later)<br>
8. Were you part of
organizing a workshop last year? <br>
Which one?<br>
Did<br>
you submit a workshop report?<br>
Yes (to be updated with list of previous
workshops)<br>
9. Under which of the
five IGF themes does the proposal fall<br>
under ?<br>
• Managing the
Internet (Using the Internet)<br>
• Arrangements for
Internet governance<br>
- - - - - D R A F T - - - - -<br>
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From: "Milton L Mueller"
<mueller@syr.edu><br>
To: <governance@lists.cpsr.org><br>
Subject: [governance] Internationalization
Workshop<br>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:42:02 +0530<br><br>
<br>
Here is the proposal as it now stands. Note that after
two <br>
requests we<br>
are still waiting for volunteers/interested parties
from this <br>
list.<br>
1. Name of proposed workshop<br>
The Future of ICANN: After the JPA, What?<br><br>
2. Provide a concise description of the proposed
workshop theme<br>
including its importance and relevance to the
IGF.<br>
ICANN, which coordinates and sets policy for the
global domain <br>
name<br>
system (DNS) and IP addressing, is linked to the US
Government<br>
through a<br>
Joint Project Agreement (JPA) that expires in
September 2009. <br>
The JPA<br>
and its renewal process provides what, during WSIS,
became <br>
known as<br>
"political oversight" over ICANN. The US
government says that <br>
it is<br>
committed to "completing the transition" to
private sector</blockquote>coordination<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> of the Domain
Name System, which implies an expiration of the <br>
JPA.<br>
During the recent mid-term review, ICANN made it clear
that it <br>
also<br>
strongly supports an end to the JPA. ICANN's call
was <br>
supported by</blockquote>some<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> stakeholders,
but others expressed concerns about ensuring its<br>
accountability without some kind of governmental
oversight.<br>
This panel is designed to provide a careful and
balanced <br>
exploration</blockquote>of<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> whether ICANN
is ready to be free of US government oversight, <br>
and if</blockquote>so<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> what kind of
external oversight - if any - should replace
it.</blockquote>Panelists<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> will be
encouraged to provide specific models for ICANN's <br>
status and<br>
various oversight models and offer practical
suggestions on <br>
how to</blockquote>make<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> changes in
the current situation. Advocates of retaining the <br>
status</blockquote>quo<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> will also be
represented.<br><br>
3. Provide the names and affiliations of the
panellists you are<br>
planning<br>
to invite. Describe the main actors in the field and
whether <br>
you have<br>
you approached them about their willingness to
participate in <br>
proposed<br>
workshop.<br><br>
ICANN: Peter Dengate Thrush<br>
IGP: Milton Mueller<br>
Dr. Vladimir V. Sokolov, Moscow State University,
Deputy <br>
Director,<br>
International Institute for<br>
Government of Canada<br>
Michael Palage, Attorney and former ICANN Board
member<br>
Nashwa Abdel Baki, Egyptian Universities Network
(EUN)<br>
<civil society representative selected by
IGC><br>
Internet Society - either Stefano Trumpy or Lynn St.
Amour<br>
Milton Mueller<br>
Professor, Syracuse University School of Information
Studies<br>
XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology<br>
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From: "karen banks"
<karenb@gn.apc.org><br>
To: <governance@lists.cpsr.org><br>
Subject: [governance] IGC workshop: A rights agenda
for Internet<br>
Governance<br>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:41:15 +0530<br><br>
Dear all<br><br>
A working group comprised of the following folk have
worked <br>
hard to<br>
draft a proposal on:<br><br>
A rights agenda for internet goernance<br><br>
The working group included : Michael Gurstein,
Parminder Jeet<br>
Singh, Lisa Horner, Konstantinos Komaitis,
Vittorio Bertola, <br>
Robin<br>
Gross, Robert Guerra, rafik dammak, linda
misek-falkoff and <br>
myself.<br>
I believe posts were also shared from time to time
with the <br>
bill or<br>
rights coalition. (colleagues - please clarify any
omissions i <br>
may<br>
have made in that list..)<br><br>
It was a very interesting drafting process, and we
fully realise<br>
that this is a complex and challenging topic to bring
to the IGF<br>
Table - but we are convinced that it is not only
relevant to <br>
the IGF<br>
Mandate, but central to the mandate and the long term
impact <br>
of the<br>
IGF process.<br><br>
Please review the attached draft - we look forward to
your <br>
comments<br>
in relation to<br><br>
- the substantive sections (q2 and q6)<br>
- ideas for panellists and main actors in the field
(q3)<br>
- ideas for 2 or 3 additional co-sponsors (q4)<br>
- your thoughts on which theme(s) the proposal best
fits with - i<br>
would say it's an 'missing' crosscut ;)<br><br>
we'll take a round of comments til end monday (april
28th) and <br>
take<br>
it from there..<br><br>
thanks everyone<br><br>
karen (for michael, parminder and the working
group)<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
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From: "Jeremy Malcolm"
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To: <governance@lists.cpsr.org><br>
Subject: [governance] Workshop proposal: The Role and
Mandate <br>
of the</blockquote>IGF<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> Date: Sun, 27
Apr 2008 16:48:37 +0530<br><br>
A small working group comprising Lee McKnight, Karen
Banks, <br>
Baudouin<br>
Schombe and myself was recently convened by Parminder
to work <br>
on a<br>
proposal for a workshop for Hyderabad on "The
Role and Mandate <br>
of the<br>
IGF".<br>
Whilst not everyone in the working group has had the
time to <br>
consider<br>
this text (which myself, Baudouin and Parminder
contributed <br>
to), it is</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> presented now
due to pressure of time, since the approval of the<br>
caucus is required before 30 April.<br>
Please send comments on the draft proposal to the list
as soon as<br>
possible. Thank you!<br>
--- begins ---<br>
Title of the Workshop: 'The role and mandate of the
IGF'<br>
Civil Society Internet Caucus held a workshop on the
same <br>
theme, 'The<br>
role and mandate of the IGF', at IGF, Rio. A report of
this first<br>
workshop is found
athttp://intgovforum.org/Rio_event_report.php?<br>
mem=30. It was driven by an identification of a need
for <br>
regular self-<br>
appraisal of the IGF vis-à-vis its mandated role. Such
a <br>
‘periodic<br>
review’ is also required by the Tunis Agenda
(paragraph 73 b).<br>
Consequently, the caucus proposes to hold a workshop
with the <br>
same<br>
title during IGF, Hyderabad.<br>
The role and mandate of the Internet Governance Forum
were set <br>
out in<br>
general terms at the World Summit on the Information
Society,<br>
particularly in paragraph 72 of the Tunis
Agenda. However <br>
since the<br>
conclusion of the World Summit, various
interpretations of this<br>
general statement of the IGF's role and mandate have
been put <br>
forward<br>
and continue to be debated amongst its
stakeholders. Some <br>
believe<br>
that there are elements of the IGF's mandate that have
been <br>
overlooked</blockquote><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> or minimised
in its operation to date. Others maintain, to the<br>
contrary, that the IGF must contain the overreaching
ambitions of<br>
those who would transform it from a non-binding forum
for <br>
discussion<br>
into something more.<br>
Since IGF, Hyderabad, represents the midpoint in the
initial 5 <br>
year<br>
term of the IGF after which the whole IGF process is
sought to be<br>
reviewed. It will be pertinent at this midpoint
to<br>
(1) review
how the IGF has fared till now vis-à-vis its TA<br>
mandate, and whether any structure and/or
substance <br>
corrections are<br>
needed for the remaining part of its initial 5 year
mandate<br>
(2) what are
the emerging views on post-2010 <br>
arrangements for<br>
the IGF, if one is at all needed.<br>
There has been unmistakable improvements in the IGF
format and<br>
substance since its first meeting whether it has been
to include<br>
topics earlier considered too controversial (CIRs for
Rio) or <br>
more<br>
focused discussions on specific issues (as per
tentative <br>
program for<br>
Hyderabad). The directions of these changes
vis-à-vis <br>
fulfillment of<br>
the mandate of the IGF may also be an important issue
of <br>
discussion.<br>
Since paragraph 73 also speaks about a
‘decentralized <br>
structure’ it<br>
will also be worth exploring how can the IGF be
decentralized <br>
beyond<br>
the present structure of a single annual event,
perhaps by <br>
exploring<br>
IGF like structures at the regional and national
levels (which <br>
will<br>
inter aliafulfill part of the requirements of
paragraph 80) and<br>
working group working on important issues contributing
to the<br>
proceedings of the annual event.<br>
--<br>
Jeremy Malcolm LLB (Hons) B Com<br>
Internet and Open Source lawyer, IT consultant,
actor<br>
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