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<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">No, what we're dealing with in your case is a kind of incantatory<STRIKE> anti-</STRIKE>market fundamentalism, something that folks in civil society should have moved beyond in<STRIKE> 1991</STRIKE></FONT></SPAN><STRIKE><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></STRIKE><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"> 1930,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"> if not sooner. But old habits die hard, which is why I make an issue of it on this list.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I'm perfectly willing to entertain</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><STRIKE> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">policy</FONT></STRIKE><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">market</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">interventions in the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><STRIKE> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">market</FONT></STRIKE><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">in support of public policy goods</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">when beneficial.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><STRIKE> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">But let's</FONT></STRIKE><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I'll</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">give competitive markets and liberal policies their due; they've produced dramatic expansions in access and will continue to do so if handled right. Be intelligent about when you need to intervene, and how, and when you don't. That's all. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">And to anticipate the inevitable incantation that markets don't do everything or aren't perfect, well, yeah. Who said they were?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">(well I guess we are closer to consensus than I figured after all ;-)</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">MG</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"> </FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">From: Milton L Mueller [</FONT></SPAN><A HREF="mailto:mueller@syr.edu"><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">mailto:mueller@syr.edu</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">] </FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sent: April 16, 2008 3:18 AM</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">To: McTim; governance@lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Subject: RE: [governance] rights based approach to the Internet</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> -----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN>
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<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com></FONT></SPAN>
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<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > The problem Milton (and McTim) is that I don't think anyone</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">believes in</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > that kind of incantatory market fundamentalism</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">No, what we're dealing with in your case is a kind of incantatory anti-market fundamentalism, something that folks in civil society should have moved beyond in 1991, if not sooner. But old habits die hard, which is why I make an issue of it on this list.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I'm perfectly willing to entertain policy interventions in the market when beneficial. But let's give competitive markets and liberal policies their due; they've produced dramatic expansions in access and will continue to do so if handled right. Be intelligent about when you need to intervene, and how, and when you don't. That's all. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">And to anticipate the inevitable incantation that markets don't do everything or aren't perfect, well, yeah. Who said they were? </FONT></SPAN></P>
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