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<font size=3>hi<br><br>
i haven't read the thread on this.. but, to quote ca<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">In short, again, a flurry of
consumer rights' violations.</blockquote><br>
i think this issue is a prefect one to bring in the consumer rights
groups - a community we've not really managed to draw into the IGF
process, but a very important potential ally in our work..<br><br>
karen<br><br>
At 14:32 16/04/2008, Carlos Afonso wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Wow, wonderful ISPs you have,
Jacqueline!<br><br>
Here in BR the main backbone operators, which are also the providers of
broadband to home, monitor/censor/retard packets at will, depending on
how they affect their interests (as they are conglomerates selling both
connectivity and content).<br><br>
I cannot watch Joost or any other IPTV service which does not belong to
the cable company, for example, in my 8 Mb/s cable modem link (random
interruptions), cannot run an ftp or mail server, or even a plain Web
server on my end of the link using standard ports etc -- in summary, they
arbitrarily decide which packets you can send/receive, and how. The link
itself is excellent -- I just downloaded a full Ubuntu CD in less than 20
minutes (they seem to like Ubuntu ;)).<br><br>
In short, they interfere with content, and this is not anywhere in the
contract. The contract says (in euphemistic words) that they will sell
more bandwidth than they can cope with and the user should not expect to
get the full up/down nominal speeds specified in the contract. But it
does not even suggest you cannot try to use the full nominal bandwidth
specified in the contract.<br><br>
In short, again, a flurry of consumer rights' violations.<br><br>
--c.a.<br><br>
Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Robert Guerra wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Kwasi:<br><br>
As the issue you raise is really more related to network neutrality, i
hope you don't mind that I've changed the subject
line...</blockquote>How? Isn't this just pricing? We have some ISPs that
offer unlimited bandwidth, some that offer transfer limits, with more
data transfer for more $$, but they are all neutral as to the content
that you send/receive and who you are. I know that my mobile internet
(unlimited data at home) is very much metered in the US (when I checked
email on my cell phone in JFK airport, I got data charges by the kb)<br>
Jacqueline<br><br>
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