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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is very fine if you identify yourself
as CS, which is (mostly) enough for the present purpose. The wiki definition
you quote I think makes the distinctions I spoke of quite clear.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We have your name in the volunteers list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In reply to your query about whether
volunteering requires extensive travel etc, I must clarify two points<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>The list of volunteers would be subject to a random selection process,
and five chosen for a nominating committee (nomcom) for recommending some CS members
for the Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group of the IGF on behalf of the IGC. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>This nomcom will work over a week early next month, through email consultations,
and will be disbanded after they announce the list of recommended persons.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
rusdiah@rad.net.id [mailto:rusdiah@rad.net.id] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 27, 2008
10:57 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Parminder; rusdiah@rad.net.id<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'Michael Gurstein';
governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Rudi Rusdiah - APWKomitel
[governance] NOMCOM - MAG</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear Parminder and friends:<br>
<br>
Thank you for emails about my status.<br>
<br>
To make it clear , the situation is as follows:<br>
I am heading an association called APWKomitel (
http://www.apwkomitel.org or
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/APWKomitel/ ) which is nonprofit
organizations which its members are public internet centers(PICs) in Indonesia
and our association participated in WSIS 2005 in Tunis as CS. APWKomitel is
also non government organization ( or NGO ?)<br>
Public Internet center(PIC) can be Internet cafe (in Indonesia we called
it as warnet) , Telecenter etc... some of our member are profit and some
are for nonprofit, majority are SME.<br>
To be a member of the association you must own a PIC either profit or non
profit... it happened that I owned an Internet Cafe as well.<br>
<br>
When I volunteer I represent my organization ( APWKomitel)<br>
<br>
Looking at the emails , I am also a bit confuse and probably you may help
define... whether I belong to CS (or Private sector) from the above
explanation ?<br>
<br>
I look at the definition of CS in wiki as follows:<br>
<strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">Civil society</font></b></strong> is
composed of the totality of voluntary civic and social organizations and institutions
that form the basis of a functioning <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society" title=Society>society</a> as
opposed to the force-backed structures of a <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty" title=Sovereignty>state</a>
(regardless of that state's political system) and commercial institutions.<br>
<br>
<br>
Hope this will clarify my status and again thank you for all your comments and
nomination.<br>
Regards, Rudi Rusdiah<br>
<br>
Note: <br>
By the way... I also wonder if the volunteer required intensive/frequent
travelling... since travelling cost is a big burden for our associations (APW)
which is also my handicap.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Parminder wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]-->Yes, Michael, I did read about the organization and also saw
that it is registered as civil society organization in the WSIS process. While
Rudi could simple have said, ‘I too volunteer’, and I would have
accepted it, the fact that he said he is volunteering form the
“Indonesian private sector’ does leave me with a problem.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>IGC membership rules are at present very
loosely interpreted, (and we in any case need to do something about it, as I
pointed out in an email a few days back) but the one rule which does seem to
apply – as mentioned in the charter in the voting section, and on the
ballot for voting the lat time we voted – is of self declaration as
belonging to civil society.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now, Rudi’s self declaration
violates precisely that rule – which is the one that seems at present to
be the only applied with any seriousness. In capacity of co-coordinator, who is
the custodian of the charter and IGC processes, it is my duty to seek
clarification on this matter. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An example to explain this position will
be someone coming on to volunteer, declaring that he volunteers from xyz
government. I would refuse his offer, and seek clarification. I was only doing
what I understand is an organizational duty.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Parminder <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> PS: Since the volunteers list has to
be published today, I will keep Rudi provisionally on the volunteers list,
which will be subject to random selection process. I will again seek self
declaration if he does get to be on the first 5 list. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From:</span></font></b></strong><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Michael Gurstein
[mailto:gurstein@gmail.com] <br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>Sent:</span></font></b></strong>
Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:23 AM<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>To:</span></font></b></strong>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; 'Parminder'<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:</span></font></b></strong>
RE: [governance] NOMCOM - MAG</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Based on what Rudi has said below and what
I understand about the role of Warnets in Indonesia (a rather unique
hybrid of a cybercafe and a telecentre) I would guess that both he and his
association would qualify as CS (they operate as revenue
based community micro-enteprises...</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>MG</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>From:</span></font></b></strong>
Parminder [mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>Sent:</span></font></b></strong>
March 25, 2008 6:22 AM<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>To:</span></font></b></strong>
governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:</span></font></b></strong>
[governance] NOMCOM - MAG</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks a lot, Rudi. We do need more people
to volunteer, and especially from different parts of the world, which may
currently be under-represented. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However, I am not clear about your
self-declaration which mentions both private sector and NGO.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>To be a full member of the IGC one has to
self-declare oneself as a civil society person. Such full membership is
necessary to hold caucus appointments, like being on the nomcom. And as
understood by us, civil society stands in some kind of a distinction vis a vis
governments and governance institutions on one hand, and private / business
sector on the other. This distinction for us is most valid from the point of
view of the principal political identity and representation a person brings in
vis a vis IG policies and advocacy, the arena of activity of this caucus.
<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So responding to way you have proposed
your volunteer-ship as ‘from Indonesia private sector’ I must seek
this clarification from you whether you affirm yourself to be civil society
person, and representing public interest, and not private and/or business
interests, individually or in aggregation, in terms of your engagement with IG
issues. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am sorry if this appears a bit
complicated, and I am happy to give any clarification on this list, or offlist,
i.e. in response to an email send to my id alone. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks and Regards<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From:</span></font></b></strong><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
rusdiah@rad.net.id [mailto:rusdiah@rad.net.id] <br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>Sent:</span></font></b></strong>
Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:00 PM<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>To:</span></font></b></strong>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; karen banks<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>Cc:</span></font></b></strong>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; Rudi Vansnick<br>
<strong><b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'>Subject:</span></font></b></strong>
Rudi Rusdiah - APW - Indonesia [governance] NOMCOM - MAG </span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>I am willing to volunteer from Indonesia Private Sector (NGO) :<br>
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Rudi Rusdiah<br>
Association of Community Internet Center - APWKomitel (Asosiasi Pengusaha
Warnet)<br>
( http://www.apwkomitel.org , community mailing list:
apwkomitel@yahoogroups.com (3,000 members) )<br>
Jakarta , Indonesia<br>
GSM: +6281 677 4203<br>
Fax: +6221 7507545<br>
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> hi<br>
> <br>
> as per email parminder, i'm available for nomcom<br>
> <br>
> karen<br>
> <br>
> At 01:25 20/03/2008, Rudi Vansnick wrote:<br>
>>I'm willing to serve in the nomcom.<br>
>><br>
>>Rudi Vansnick<br>
>>President - CEO Internet Society Belgium vzw<br>
>>Board member ISOC-ECC Barcelona-Spain<br>
>>EURALO board member<br>
>>/Dendermondesteenweg 143 - B-9070 Destelbergen<br>
>>Belgium<br>
>>GSM: +32 (0)475 28 16 32<br>
>>Tel: +32 (0)70 77 39 39/<br>
>>http://www.isoc.be<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>Parminder schreef:<br>
>>><br>
>>>Hi All<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>I request urgent submission of names by those ready to volunteer<br>
>>>for the noncom. We need 25 names to do a random selection of 5, and<br>
>>>we have till now only a couple. Pl do it today, preferably.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>We need to have a nomcom as soon as possible.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>Meanwhile the discussion on the issue of how and why of rotation<br>
>>>can go on, and the nomcom can pick up the sense of the group from<br>
>>>these discussions, and if they wish engage directly with the group<br>
>>>for clarifications. Meanwhile, I will try to evoke discussions on<br>
>>>key issues and information that are important for the nomcom to<br>
>>>achieve its purpose.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>Parminder<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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