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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are you sure his statement wasn’t simply because of a
communication gap / language issue?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>suresh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Parminder
[mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michael Gurstein'; governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] NOMCOM - MAG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Yes, Michael, I did read about the organization and also saw that
it is registered as civil society organization in the WSIS process. While Rudi
could simple have said, ‘I too volunteer’, and I would have accepted it, the
fact that he said he is volunteering form the “Indonesian private sector’ does
leave me with a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>IGC membership rules are at present very loosely interpreted, (and
we in any case need to do something about it, as I pointed out in an email a
few days back) but the one rule which does seem to apply – as mentioned in the
charter in the voting section, and on the ballot for voting the lat time we
voted – is of self declaration as belonging to civil society.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Now, Rudi’s self declaration violates precisely that rule – which
is the one that seems at present to be the only applied with any seriousness.
In capacity of co-coordinator, who is the custodian of the charter and IGC
processes, it is my duty to seek clarification on this matter. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>An example to explain this position will be someone coming on to
volunteer, declaring that he volunteers from xyz government. I would refuse his
offer, and seek clarification. I was only doing what I understand is an organizational
duty.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> PS: Since the volunteers list has to be published today, I
will keep Rudi provisionally on the volunteers list, which will be subject to
random selection process. I will again seek self declaration if he does get to
be on the first 5 list. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Gurstein [mailto:gurstein@gmail.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; 'Parminder'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] NOMCOM - MAG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Parminder,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Based on what Rudi has said below and what I understand about the
role of Warnets in Indonesia (a rather unique hybrid of a cybercafe and a
telecentre) I would guess that both he and his association would qualify as CS
(they operate as revenue
based community micro-enteprises...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>MG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> Parminder [mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> March 25, 2008 6:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [governance] NOMCOM - MAG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Thanks a lot, Rudi. We do need more people to volunteer, and
especially from different parts of the world, which may currently be
under-represented. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>However, I am not clear about your self-declaration which mentions
both private sector and NGO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>To be a full member of the IGC one has to self-declare oneself as a
civil society person. Such full membership is necessary to hold caucus
appointments, like being on the nomcom. And as understood by us, civil
society stands in some kind of a distinction vis a vis governments and
governance institutions on one hand, and private / business sector on the
other. This distinction for us is most valid from the point of view of the
principal political identity and representation a person brings in vis a vis IG
policies and advocacy, the arena of activity of this caucus. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>So responding to way you have proposed your volunteer-ship as ‘from
Indonesia private sector’ I must seek this clarification from you whether you
affirm yourself to be civil society person, and representing public interest,
and not private and/or business interests, individually or in aggregation, in
terms of your engagement with IG issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I am sorry if this appears a bit complicated, and I am happy to
give any clarification on this list, or offlist, i.e. in response to an email
send to my id alone. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Thanks and Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> rusdiah@rad.net.id
[mailto:rusdiah@rad.net.id] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; karen banks<br>
<b>Cc:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Rudi Vansnick<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Rudi Rusdiah - APW - Indonesia [governance] NOMCOM - MAG </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am willing to volunteer from Indonesia Private Sector
(NGO) :<br>
<br>
Rudi Rusdiah<br>
Association of Community Internet Center - APWKomitel (Asosiasi Pengusaha
Warnet)<br>
( http://www.apwkomitel.org , community mailing list: apwkomitel@yahoogroups.com
(3,000 members) )<br>
Jakarta , Indonesia<br>
GSM: +6281 677 4203<br>
Fax: +6221 7507545<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> hi<br>
> <br>
> as per email parminder, i'm available for nomcom<br>
> <br>
> karen<br>
> <br>
> At 01:25 20/03/2008, Rudi Vansnick wrote:<br>
>>I'm willing to serve in the nomcom.<br>
>><br>
>>Rudi Vansnick<br>
>>President - CEO Internet Society Belgium vzw<br>
>>Board member ISOC-ECC Barcelona-Spain<br>
>>EURALO board member<br>
>>/Dendermondesteenweg 143 - B-9070 Destelbergen<br>
>>Belgium<br>
>>GSM: +32 (0)475 28 16 32<br>
>>Tel: +32 (0)70 77 39 39/<br>
>>http://www.isoc.be<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>Parminder schreef:<br>
>>><br>
>>>Hi All<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>I request urgent submission of names by those ready to volunteer<br>
>>>for the noncom. We need 25 names to do a random selection of 5, and<br>
>>>we have till now only a couple. Pl do it today, preferably.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>We need to have a nomcom as soon as possible.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>Meanwhile the discussion on the issue of how and why of rotation<br>
>>>can go on, and the nomcom can pick up the sense of the group from<br>
>>>these discussions, and if they wish engage directly with the group<br>
>>>for clarifications. Meanwhile, I will try to evoke discussions on<br>
>>>key issues and information that are important for the nomcom to<br>
>>>achieve its purpose.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>Parminder<o:p></o:p></p>
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