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<DIV><SPAN class=086244516-26032008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Okay
smarty-pants you summarize the following:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=086244516-26032008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_caf%C3%A9#Indonesia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_caf%C3%A9#Indonesia</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=086244516-26032008><SPAN class=mw-headline>Indonesia</SPAN>
<P>According to <A class="external text" title=http://www.apwkomitel.org/
href="http://www.apwkomitel.org/" rel=nofollow>APWKomitel</A> (Associations of
Community Internet Center) there are 5,000 Internet Cafe in urban Indonesian
cities in 2006 providing computer/printer/scanner rental, training, PC game and
Internet Access/Rental to the people that do not have PC or internet access at
home. <A class="external text" title=http://www.apwkomitel.org/sumatra.html
href="http://www.apwkomitel.org/sumatra.html" rel=nofollow>The website</A> also
contains a directory listing some of these warnet/telecenter/gamecenter in
Indonesia. In urban area, the generic name is <A class=extiw title=id:Warnet
href="http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnet">Warnet</A> (or Warung Internet) and
in rural area the generic name is Telecenter. Warnets/ Netcafes (ie: <A
class="external text" title=http://www.milenia.net/
href="http://www.milenia.net/" rel=nofollow>Java NetCafe</A> established in
1998) are usually owned by private SME as bottom up initiative, while Telecenter
in rural villages are usually initiated by Government and Donor as top down
financing. Information on Netcafe/Warnet in Indonesia can also be found in a
book titled: <A class="external text"
title=http://www.i4donline.net/ATF/2007/fullpapers/Rudi_ATF07ABS129.pdf
href="http://www.i4donline.net/ATF/2007/fullpapers/Rudi_ATF07ABS129.pdf"
rel=nofollow>Connected for Development:Indonesian Case study</A>. Currently,
there are no special license for operating Internet Cafe or Warnet in Indonesia,
except for ordinary business license also applied to cafe or small shop. Because
of hype and many internet cafe start their business without proper planning,
some of them closed down lack of business plan.Although the number is still
growing, Association such as <A class="external text"
title=http://wsis-online.org/smsi/organization/organization-view?group_id=326287
href="http://wsis-online.org/smsi/organization/organization-view?group_id=326287"
rel=nofollow>APWKomitel</A> urges new internet cafe owner to do a feasibility
study for startup netcafe and provide business model called <A
class="external text"
title=http://www.itu.int/wsis/stocktaking/scripts/documents.asp?project=1143795049&lang=en
href="http://www.itu.int/wsis/stocktaking/scripts/documents.asp?project=1143795049&lang=en"
rel=nofollow>Multipurpose Community Internet Center or "MCI Center"</A> to make
the business more sustainable and competitive.</P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=086244516-26032008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>MG</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Milton L Mueller
[mailto:mueller@syr.edu] <BR><B>Sent:</B> March 26, 2008 9:29 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein; Parminder<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[governance] NOMCOM - MAG<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I love this jargon.
“Revenue based community micro-enterprises.” Some of us call that “small
business.” I do _<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">not</SPAN></I>_ wish to
enter into any debate about the group’s CS credentials or eligibility, it’s
fine with me. But you gotta love this.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Michael
Gurstein [mailto:gurstein@gmail.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:53
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>; 'Parminder'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [governance] NOMCOM -
MAG</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Parminder,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Based on what Rudi
has said below and what I understand about the role of Warnets in
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Indonesia</st1:place></st1:country-region> (a rather unique hybrid
of a cybercafe and a telecentre) I would guess that both he and his
association would qualify as CS (they operate as revenue
based community micro-enteprises...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MG</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Parminder [mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> March 25, 2008 6:22
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [governance] NOMCOM -
MAG</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks a lot, Rudi.
We do need more people to volunteer, and especially from different parts of
the world, which may currently be under-represented.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However, I am not
clear about your self-declaration which mentions both private sector and
NGO.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To be a full member
of the IGC one has to self-declare oneself as a civil society person. Such
full membership is necessary to hold caucus appointments, like being on the
nomcom. And as understood by us, civil society stands in some kind of
a distinction vis a vis governments and governance institutions on one hand,
and private / business sector on the other. This distinction for us is most
valid from the point of view of the principal political identity and
representation a person brings in vis a vis IG policies and advocacy, the
arena of activity of this caucus. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So responding to
way you have proposed your volunteer-ship as ‘from Indonesia private sector’
I must seek this clarification from you whether you affirm yourself to be
civil society person, and representing public interest, and not private
and/or business interests, individually or in aggregation, in terms of your
engagement with IG issues. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am sorry if this
appears a bit complicated, and I am happy to give any clarification on this
list, or offlist, i.e. in response to an email send to my id alone.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks and
Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Parminder
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
rusdiah@rad.net.id [mailto:rusdiah@rad.net.id] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:00
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>; karen
banks<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>; Rudi
Vansnick<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Rudi
Rusdiah - APW - <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Indonesia</st1:place></st1:country-region> [governance] NOMCOM -
MAG </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am willing to volunteer from Indonesia Private
Sector (NGO) :<BR><BR>Rudi Rusdiah<BR>Association of <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Community</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Internet</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> - APWKomitel (Asosiasi
Pengusaha Warnet)<BR>( http://www.apwkomitel.org , community mailing list:
apwkomitel@yahoogroups.com (3,000 members) )<BR><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Jakarta</st1:City> , <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Indonesia</st1:country-region></st1:place><BR>GSM: +6281 677
4203<BR>Fax: +6221 7507545<BR><BR><BR><BR>> hi<BR>> <BR>> as per
email parminder, i'm available for nomcom<BR>> <BR>> karen<BR>>
<BR>> At 01:25 20/03/2008, Rudi Vansnick wrote:<BR>>>I'm willing to
serve in the nomcom.<BR>>><BR>>>Rudi
Vansnick<BR>>>President - CEO Internet Society <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Belgium</st1:place></st1:country-region>
vzw<BR>>>Board member ISOC-ECC Barcelona-Spain<BR>>>EURALO board
member<BR>>>/Dendermondesteenweg 143 - B-9070
Destelbergen<BR>>><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Belgium</st1:place></st1:country-region><BR>>>GSM: +32
(0)475 28 16 32<BR>>>Tel: +32 (0)70 77 39
39/<BR>>>http://www.isoc.be<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Parminder
schreef:<BR>>>><BR>>>>Hi
All<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>I request
urgent submission of names by those ready to volunteer<BR>>>>for
the noncom. We need 25 names to do a random selection of 5,
and<BR>>>>we have till now only a couple. Pl do it today,
preferably.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>We
need to have a nomcom as soon as
possible.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>Meanwhile
the discussion on the issue of how and why of rotation<BR>>>>can go
on, and the nomcom can pick up the sense of the group
from<BR>>>>these discussions, and if they wish engage directly with
the group<BR>>>>for clarifications. Meanwhile, I will try to evoke
discussions on<BR>>>>key issues and information that are important
for the nomcom to<BR>>>>achieve its
purpose.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>Parminder<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>