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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Re your answer to Miryam - Those issues never went away and will
never go away. There’s no way we can isolate the Internet from
traditional governance mechanisms, or sovereignty issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And re your answer to MM - Increased global oversight will not produce
less government involvement. It may produce more authoritarian
government involvement. And probably not much of a role for civil society
– especially that part of civil society (including a section of the list)
that seems to view governance as a divine right without taking the trouble to
actually understand the issues they’re asking to govern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I fully support the idea of this workshop as long as we can find
– and suggest – a way to prevent trade restrictions such as the
ones with Cuba becoming long arm enforcement when applied in the context of the
Internet. And as long as we can find ways for civ soc to actively work with and
accept the technical community instead of shying away from it. These two
communities need each other a lot more than extremists on either side think.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For workshop content – panels are absolutely what we do
not need here. On the other hand, if we can have a working group of sort
spread over 3..4 days – probably with public audience – what I have
found much more effective in throwing up ideas is either speed exchanges
(small, focused roundtables) or better still, as the focus is on coming up with
language for a best practice document or CS statement, getting people together
in a room, full of wall mounted tearsheets / flipcharts, each of which asks a
critical question. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There are also marker pens ready for whoever wants to write his
thoughts under each question – one sentence at a time, any language he
chooses .. this is not “wording draft” stage yet but key
phrases are welcome of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then the rapporteurs for each question (chosen from a pool of
volunteers shall we say) go around with stickers (or red markers), and stick
one sticker / add one star per idea they like, to highlight it. The
tearsheets are then taken away at the end of the session, ideas counted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Very democratic, and I have found it surprisingly productive –
it is the method we use at MAAWG (<a href="http://www.maawg.org">www.maawg.org</a>)
to draft best practice documents such as these: <a
href="http://www.maawg.org/about/publishedDocuments">http://www.maawg.org/about/publishedDocuments</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> srs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Willie Currie [mailto:wcurrie@apc.org]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 07, 2008 11:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] A Wave of the Watch List, and Speech
Disappears<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Meryem: If this kind of analogy
is not wrong, then this simply demonstrates that we're back (or still) facing
issues which were already discussed more than 10 years ago: there are
continuous attempts to impose an editorial liability on technical
intermediaries (at different levels ISP, registrar, registry, etc. one should
also consider search engines), simply because it's easier to target them and to
have them "do the job" (censorship of contents and/or activities).
Either they accept to be the censorship instrument or they would face
themselves the penalty. <br>
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Milton: I think a better way to ask that question is, how can we, via Internet
governance and global public policy making, better realize the potential of the
Internet to offer global services without ensnaring end users/customers in the
idiosyncracies of territorial jurisdictions? How can we create a global -- and
globally accountable -- "jurisdiction"within which these services can
be offered?<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>For an IGF workshop(s) it may
be worth looking at a different approach to the traditional panel discussion.
We could have the presentation of a particular case like this one (or a number
of cases) and then ask reprsentatives of different stakeholders to respond to
the public policy issues thrown up by the case. And see to what extent this
adds to or subtracts from the underlying (repressed) issue of enhanced
cooperation. I tend to agree with Bertrand and Karl that we are facing the
threat of the fracturing of sovereignty which left unaddressed will bring about
the fracturing of the internet. Do we have to wait until the return of the repressed
for anything to be done about it? A reasonable public policy approach would
say: if we can identify problems emerging, then we had better start thinking of
solutions and encouraging a debate with the relevant political and regulatory
authorities. <br>
<br>
On practical strategies we could perhaps organise a best practice forum along
the lines Bret suggests.<br>
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