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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Our original draft statement did say clearly
that governments are over-represented, and that this should be corrected. But
there was advice on the list against saying so… which later extended to
that we should not say anything about any other group’s representation and
just say CS is under-represented. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not that things would have changed if we
had said so, but it is important for CS to be upfront and say these things when
the occasion arises and not pussyfoot as we often tend to do. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We can still write to them that gov representation
is steadily climbing though many different means, and this is a cause of concern
etc…Let them not do anything about this, but let them know that’s what
we think…..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can MAG members tell us if the issue of
co-chair was discussed in the MAG. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The worst part is that where the summary
talks about 50 percent gov representation it says <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=ArialMT><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:ArialMT'>“However, the group was informed that the current
balance in the MAG, of 50% of its members<u1:p></u1:p> proposed by
governments and 50% by other stakeholder groups, would be maintained.<u1:p></u1:p>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Note the part ‘the group was
informed’… what does that mean!! Who informed the group. Rest of
the summary is written in form of what the group itself seem to have deliberated
and decided… but this is about something the group having been told
… BY WHOM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can the MAG members who were present in Geneva
shed some light on it? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also those among us who have been of the opinion
that MAG should stay as purely an advisory body to UN SG, and have no
substantive identity / authority of its own, would note that we can keep
expecting more and more of these diktats from unknown quarters, which none of
us can ever even reach out to, much less influence… Putting too much
faith in one person, Nitin Desai, who as SG’s Special Advisor, we
may think has the greater influence on SG’s decisions has limits, and may
backfire when there is a change in guard. In any case there are many others who
have great influence with SG’s office and that is showing…. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In not calling for a more independent MAG,
CS has lost a major opportunity. Now it may be too late to even call for it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An unnecessary semantics of what would a bureau
mean took away all the energy though those who called for a self-empowered MAG
said a few times that there is no insistence on the name ‘bureau’
and whatever goes with it… So now you have your MAG which is government loaded
because we ourselves colluded in handing over all powers to the UN SG office…
No point ruing it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Robin Gross
[mailto:robin@ipjustice.org] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 01, 2008
6:38 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Ian
Peter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Summary
Report of IGF MAG available</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This point concerns me also. And especially when the "special
advisors" are added into the mix, there is an even higher percentage of
govt representation. For example there are 4 representatives from the Russian
govt listed as special advisors. I'm not sure why a non-host country would need
such disproportionate influence in the process. But I wasn't able to go to
Geneva to participate in the meetings, so I don't have a good sense as to
whether such a high percentage of govt representation of the MAG is a fait de
complis or can be challenged. I'd be curious to hear what the MAG members who
were in Geneva think about this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Robin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Feb 29, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Ian Peter wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName">The
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text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=ArialMT><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:ArialMT'><u1:p></u1:p>>However, the group was informed that the
current balance in the MAG, of 50% of its members<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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by governments and 50% by other stakeholder groups, would be maintained.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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government is really multistakeholder?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Robin Gross [<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">mailto:robin@ipjustice.org</a>]
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 01 March 2008 04:36<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:personname u2:st="on"><a
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a></st1:personname>;
<a href="mailto:a2k-igf@ipjustice.org">a2k-igf@ipjustice.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:Openstds@ipjustice.org">Openstds@ipjustice.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:bill-of-rights@ipjustice.org">bill-of-rights@ipjustice.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:privacy-coalition@lists.apc.org">privacy-coalition@lists.apc.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [governance] Summary
Report of IGF MAG available</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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Summary report of the Multi-Stakeholder Advisory Group meeting in <st1:city u2:st="on"><st1:place u2:st="on">Geneva</st1:place></st1:city>
this week is on the IGF website:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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on rotation of MAG members and plans for <st1:city u2:st="on"><st1:place u2:st="on">Hyderabad</st1:place></st1:city>
in the report.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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