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face=Arial><I>Number and Composition of MAG Members.</I> While I
understand the rationale for Milton and McTim suggesting a radical reduction
in numbers, I suspect it’s a non-starter on political grounds and support
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size=3>Strongly disagree, you make a much better suggestion
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class=833332814-12022008> </SPAN></FONT></FONT>On the other hand, it
would seem that some don’t contribute much to the dialogue and that their
presence has not translated into financial and political support for IGF.
Would it be sensible to add a sentence or so suggesting a slight
reduction in the context of overall rebalancing and that we’d hope that only
governments that are prepared to attend and actively contribute would seek to
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color=#0000ff size=3><SPAN class=833332814-12022008>This would be very
sensible. Just eliminate the word "slight" so that we can
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color=#0000ff size=3><SPAN class=833332814-12022008>We've been through this
before, but I fail to understand why so many people decide in advance that you
can't ask for what you want because other people may block it politically.
That never seems to stop other stakeholders from asking for what they want. We
have a duty to ourselves and to the public interest to ask for the right
thing. If it gets blocked politically, then so be it. But at the very least it
puts pressure on those playing political games with the MAG
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color=#0000ff size=3><SPAN class=833332814-12022008>There are important
efficiency and accountability reasons to reduce the size of the MAG
substantially. We should and must assert them. We lose nothing by doing so and
may gain. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=3><SPAN class=833332814-12022008>On the issue of "technical
community" representation, Ian noted, and the point was basically conceded or
agreed by all, that these are representatives of current Internet
administration bodies. It would be perfectly sufficient to have a
representative of ICANN, IETF, and one RIR (not three -- they are all the
same politically!!) via the NRO to cover these. If you want 6 of them (and
thus a 30-person MAG instead of 15-20) then pick two from each category,
making sure that, e.g., ICANN reps include SSAC and not just two staffers.
ISPs should definitely be represented too, but clearly they are business
interests as well as Internet administrators. But be aware that ISOC is the
parent organization of IETF and virtually every major figure in ICANN and RIRs
are members and supporters of ISOC, so don't talk as if adding ISOC to an
ICANN-IETF-RIR panel is adding anything different rather than just padding the
numbers. In many respects ISOC, as a nonprofit association, is more akin to
civil society even though it consistently refuses to play with
CS.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=3><SPAN class=833332814-12022008>Note the double standards
one gets into. We are told that we "must" have 20 governments because there
are regional differences among them, and political/cultural/economic
differences within the regions. Well, that's true also of ISPs, ISOC, civil
society, and so on. We can and we must challenge this, even if the governments
have the raw power to not listen to it. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Arial><I>Inter-sessional Work and Mandate. </I>To me these are key
topics. I’m glad Parminder touched them, but I’m not sure a series of
questions on each is the most effective approach. I wonder whether it’d
be possible for us to positively state the case for something, e.g. a
MAG-linked but more open WG (I think we once endorsed WGs, know I did, and APC
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class=833332814-12022008><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>and IGP, in its early
paper "Building an IG Forum" for the first consultation.</FONT> <FONT
color=#0000ff size=3>Agree with Bill's comments
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class=833332814-12022008><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>I think we should also
insist that in creating workshops and plenaries for the annual Forum, the
Secretariat and MAG must ensure diversity of viewpoints and air fully the real
policy debates that are going on. No more workshops full of content regulation
advocates telling each other how right they are to censor the Internet, while
next door there are a bunch of free expression advocates telling each other
how right they are to oppose it. That's useless. The critical internet
resources panel I was on in Rio was poorly balanced; that should not happen
again. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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