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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Linda suggested –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Does it help - do you think - if all those in the more admin and
decisional body are also in the more general list, sometimes called a member
list?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Personally, I don’t think that
matters. Given a choice of two places to write to the same group of
stakeholders, and knowing that in the second place the public ire is less likely
to be raised on a contentious matter, most of us will choose the more private
list. Nothing wrong with that, it’s just the way things are for almost
all of us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Adam responded<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Could this tendency be avoided if
before a thread's started on the closed list or moved to the closed list there
must be a note about this on the open list. All would then know there was a
discussion going on, and at some point it would be summarized back (in some
form). If the closed list were used to excess then it should be obvious.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>In my opinion the good thing that has happened
is that a degree of commitment to openness has been adopted by the MAG. That’s
the good news, and maintaining the commitment to that is what’s important.
I don’t think any particular procedure will remove the need for members committed
to openness (like Adam) to continue to ensure that summaries are posted from time
to time. We have a good step forward with the latest offerings!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 2/9/08, <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Ian Peter</span></b></st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My experience with organizations which have adopted the one open, one
closed<br>
list approach is that the majority of discussion just moves over to the<br>
closed list over time, whether it is sensitive or not. If there are two<br>
lists, there still has to be a mechanism to achieve transparency around<br>
issues where the closed list has been utilized.<br>
<br>
Might as well just have one list. I don't mind the Chatham House<br>
anonymisation process, but I also think that many people might view<br>
transparency as meaning that MAG members individual points of view and<br>
comments on issues under discussion should be known as a default position,<br>
with Chatham House only being applied where there is a compelling reason to<br>
do so..<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:<a href="mailto:Jeremy@Malcolm.id.au">Jeremy@Malcolm.id.au</a>]<br>
Sent: 10 February 2008 12:41<br>
To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>;
Adam Peake<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] communicating with our peers<br>
<br>
On 10/02/2008, at 12:14 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
<br>
>> Anyway, that's my opinion. If the caucus has a position, it would<br>
>> be good to hear. What should it be,<br>
><br>
> 1. One open MAG mailing, anyone can read the archive. Should it<br>
> follow <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">chatham</st1:place></st1:City>
house rule and be anonomyzed?<br>
><br>
> 2. Two MAG lists, one open (should it follow <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">chatham</st1:place></st1:City> house rule and<br>
> be anonomyzed?), and a closed list for discussion of sensitive<br>
> issues (suggest it should be noted on the archived list when<br>
> discussion is taking place on private, and that discussion<br>
> summarized if appropriate.)<br>
<br>
I think option 2 would be acceptable, but the existence of an<br>
alternative closed list obviates the need for the anonymisation IMHO.<br>
Apart from which as Marcus pointed out this would reduce the load on<br>
the Secretariat.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jeremy Malcolm LLB (Hons) B Com<br>
Internet and Open Source lawyer, IT consultant, actor<br>
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