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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>> </span></font>i think defining
rudeness will be as difficult as defining morality.<o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think you’re spreading too far
afield with this approach, Avri.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would define rudeness in the context
that I was complaining about as:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“The deliberate use of provocative
language intended to irritate or annoy an individual; ascribing negative connotations
to an individual without evidence or reasoned analysis; mockery or dismissal of
someone’s else’s honestly held viewpoint.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think it is fine to refer to individuals’
comments and suggestions, and it is also fine to disagree with them – in fact,
that is exactly what works best with these sorts of discussions. As an example
of what I think is fair comment, I will refer to a comment inserted by <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City> this morning as a
perfect example of the sort of rudeness that this list could well do without.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In response to a Jacqueline comment, <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City> responded:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Well, all I
can say is that the reason most American business people are terrified of such
voting is that they conclude (more accurately than you, I am afraid) that such
a mechanism would empower the "new Internet world" of tens of
millions of Chinese and Indians and, in relative terms, erode their current
power. ”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The “more accurately than you, I am
afraid” was deliberately provocative, added nothing to the discussion,
came with no evidence or reasoned analysis, and both mocked Jacqueline and
dismissed her honestly held viewpoint.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It has no place in reasonable discussions.
Which is a shame because <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City>
then went on to raise some interesting ideas about ALSes which I personally would
be happy to discuss but which I won’t respond to because of the
unpleasantness earlier in the email.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kieren<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Avri Doria
[mailto:avri@psg.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 23, 2007
8:57 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Internet Governance Caucus<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Rudeness
tectics (was Re: Reinstate the Vote)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 23 nov 2007, at 08.09, Norbert Bollow wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Given that the use of rudeness
tectics against specific people with</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>the goal of reducing their
ability to effectively communicate their</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>viewpoints is a significant
problem in internet-based group</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>dosucssions, I would suggest that
it should be considered part of the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>substance of internet governance
discussions to figure out how this</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>problem should be addressed.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>i think defining rudeness will be as difficult as defining morality.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>we would also need to study the use of accusations of rudeness<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>in their tactical role in internet discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>while i do think it would make for a interesting academic exercise and
if<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>i can find a student who also thinks it a cool subject would try to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>support that research, i am not sure that it is quite ready to be
considered<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>a substantive part of the Internet Governance debate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>a.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>ps, was this rude?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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