Hi all<br>I have been trying to follow the discussion on the speakers part , and I was wondering he same.! We are close to the Conference !<br><br>Shaila Rao Mistry<br>California<br><br><b><i>Lee McKnight <LMcKnigh@syr.edu></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Everyone, <br><br>I keep hoping the list will get back to its day job of, say, discussing<br>whom might be recommended by the CS community to speak to which topic <br>at IGF.<br><br>Since, according to my 2-bit clock, IGF is now 2 months away.<br><br>So great we have a decent agenda, and a good lineup of plenaries, but<br>still it's looking like an empty shell at the moment...and the clock is<br>ticking.<br><br>Can our fearless and hopefully collegially speaking co-coordinators<br>suggest some next steps to move things forward? Parminder? Vittorio?<br><br>Lee<br><br> <br><br>Prof. Lee W. McKnight<br>School of Information
Studies<br>Syracuse University<br>+1-315-443-6891office<br>+1-315-278-4392 mobile<br><br>>>> dogwallah@gmail.com 9/9/2007 9:11 PM >>><br>Hi Avri,<br><br>On 9/8/07, Avri Doria <avri@psg.com> wrote:<br>><br>> On 8 sep 2007, at 14.32, McTim wrote:<br>><br>> > MM<br>> >> And there are serious policy debates even within IETF about the<br>> >> bloc size of IPv6 address distributions.<br>> ><br>> > Actually, no. The IETF stuck a fork in that one long ago. I think<br>it<br>> > was RFC3513 (or maybe 3531, I've always been dyslexic about those<br>> > two.) Again all this info is widely available on IETF/RIR lists.<br>I<br>> > encourage you to join them or read their archives if you really<br>wwant<br>> > to gain "expertise" in these fields.<br>><br>><br>> actually they have been bickering about it again. check out the<br>> threads:<br>><br>> IPv6 addresses really are scarce
after all<br>> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg47212.html <br><br>Ummm... this was fwded from the ARIN list (I got it there first), it's<br>hardly "serious<br>policy debate". If it was, there would be a draft RFC making the<br>rounds (which I haven't seen).<br><br>As you can clearly see from this message, some in the RIR communities<br>aren't happy with the /32,/48,/64,/128 IETF recommendations and are<br>proposing changes to regional numbering policies to more closely match<br>their requirements.<br><br>><br>> and<br>><br>> IPv6 RIR Policy [was Re: IPv6 addresses really are scarce after<br>all]<br>> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg47527.html <br>><br>> I was meant to write something up on it for someone, but never got a<br>> round to it,<br>> and the debate is still ongoing.<br>><br><br>Yes, and the debate is 99% in the RIR lists, after all they are the<br>ones who make the policies. The IETF
made architectural decisions. I<br>don't see them changing this, especially since it is a general<br>discussion list, and NOT a WG list.<br><br><br>> but it is an interesting thread.<br>><br>> a good and breif synopisis is:<br>> ><br>> > again, the fundamental problem here is that the RIRs are trying to<br>> > second-guess IETF design decisions.<br><br>The above is a good summary of the situation. However, it's not like<br>some second guessing isn't in order in re: IPv6.<br><br>The situation, however is much more complex than the above, which is<br>what you might expect to see in an article in the media. I would<br>suggest that policy makers need deep familiarity with the issues,<br>which is why I have made sincere suggestions that more people on this<br>list join the current debates on actual techno-policy in fora where<br>they can actually make a difference.<br><br>Milton.<br>I'm not feigning, I actually do know more about IPv6 issues than
most<br>(but not all) on this list. I know more because I have been reading<br>dozens of mailing list mails on the subject every day for many years,<br>while you seem to have been reading articles in newspapers/magazines<br>and blogs. I am certain that if you want to actually help distribute<br>internet addresses, you have to participate in the forum that does<br>just that. If you want to just talk about it, well, you are right,<br>the IGF is the place to be.<br><br>I read your blog religiously, in fact it's on my Google homepage. Of<br>the 3 you mention, one is a link to the ISP column, (also available on<br>ISOC website: http://isoc.org/educpillar/resources/), One is a link to<br>an ARIN statement, and the other is an editorial piece on arstechnica,<br>critical of the ARIN statement. While this is "publishing", it<br>doesn't show that you understand the issues, it justs shows that you<br>can make a hyperlink ;-)<br><br>Parminder<br>I think I actually asked for
"right to development text" to be taken<br>out of a statement, not "off the list".<br><br>Regarding your comment on giving feedback to the technical policy<br>folk, I suggest there is only one place to do this, and that is in the<br>germaine technical policy fora. I am only "partisan" when it comes to<br>retaining bottomuppity-ness, I am pretty much agnostic aboout the rest<br>of your first reply.<br><br>As to the second, I don't really know what "neo-liberal means (but it<br>sounds bad when you say it). I have always been a "Minnesota<br>knee-jerk liberal", in the Humphrey/Mondale/Wellstone tradition of my<br>home state. I don't think it's the same tho.<br><br>I DO know that if I want to connect a rural school or health clinic in<br>a rural area here in Uganda, it's MUCH easier to first find a<br>corporate entity in the area that needs connectivity, let them pay for<br>the infrastructure, then hang the school/clinic off that.<br><br>I don't know what you call the kind
of person that does that, and I<br>don't much care.<br><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>$ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim<br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> governance@lists.cpsr.org <br>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br> governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org <br><br>For all list information and functions, see:<br> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance<br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br> governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org<br><br>For all list information and functions, see:<br> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance<br></avri@psg.com></blockquote><br><BR><BR><DIV> <DIV><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#007f7f size=2><STRONG> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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