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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Vittorio,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Thanks for starting this
subject line which I think is important. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> > Another
aspect: On this list I have repeatedly argued against any<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> >
decision-making authority for civil society in binding international<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> > policy
processes. Unless there are formal processes in place that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> > specify on
whose behalf we participate in decision-making I think we<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> > simply lack
legitimacy to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> I agree with you on
this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I will request further clarification
of the implications of this new line of argument which is being advanced. First
of all, it is obvious that no one is suggesting and/or offering any <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>> >
decision-making authority for civil society in binding international > >
policy processes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>to CS, and so I am unable
to understand what is it that Jeanette and you are referring to here. I asked Jeanette
specifically, but she never came back. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Do you NOT want CS to be
part of any policy structure whatsoever, because the question of whom and how
do we represent will come up everywhere? I can theoretically understand that
position since I know people who hold such a view, but I haven’t associated
this position with most IGC members, especially the more active ones. They have
actively been involved in policy processes in the last few years, influencing
it in many ways. What has happened now, suddenly? Why did they all accept the
membership of WGIG, for instance? I know that many proposals for an IGF kind of
forum were made which had various kinds of decisions/ recommendation powers for
it (One such proposal was made you also, Vittorio). Why did they make all
inputs into WSIS processes, which was an exercise of political power on behalf
of CS? On whose behalf, and with what legitimacy, was all that power/influence
exercised? Do they have absolute faith that they were doing it in, and seen by
others in, strictly their individual capacity? And what does individual
capacity really mean in structures like the WGIG and IGF MAG where the
composition is multistakeholder by quota, and in WSIS where there are only that
many CS speaking slots.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I will like to know what
has changed now? It is that at that time there was this convenience of thinking
that all CS thought alike, so power could be exercised in various ways, because
the objectives were common and necessarily good for all... Is it that the IG CS
structures cannot come to terms that there are people with different interests
and worldviews, and we may need to discuss things internally a lot, and try to
inch forward through labored consensus...(Governments, with very different perspectives
do it all the time. That’s politics.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>How is it that while
till now CS always seem to have called for a legitimate share in policy
structures - which means a share in power structures - though understanding that
complex issues of what can and cannot be legitimate arenas of CS involvement,
and complexities of legitimizing representation, is a complex set of issues,
and progress can only be made on this incrementally, through various innovations.
We went through the whole WSIS phase with this belief, and CS works outside IS
arena dealing with these complexities, with good overall effectiveness. But
they do not give up their ideals, objectives and therefore the necessary
politics because the means and structures of their activity are less than
perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Why are we now calling
for an empty shell IGF and further, even an empty shell IGC, ceasing all
substantive outputs, and all politics. This new prescription of CS distrusting
itself on how will it exercise power (we didn’t distrust ourselves all
this while)and spending time on perfecting empty processes (like kids cant be
given real things to play with) in the IGF MAG and IGC itself is strange.... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I will like to see what
other stakeholders will say to this... other than be thoroughly amused. But
they will be happy and feel justified. That’s exactly what they said
about CS all the while in resisting multistakeholder processes with CS representation.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I recognize the need to
perfect processes, and the nature of legitimacy as well as effectiveness of CS
processes is an ongoing issue - of discussion, of research and of practice -
worldwide. But no one in the CS ever gave this suggestion that lets cease our substantive
objectives, and our politics, till we perfect our processes (which, given the
intrinsic nature of the CS will be never)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I must also make this
observation - hoping everyone takes it as a point of necessary argument and not
directed against anyone - that one needs to ponder on who is that can afford to
cease politics... It is that who is satisfied with the status quo. One who
wants change - more pressingly that one wants it - cant afford to suspend
politics just for process perfection. It is an easy thing to see. And I
remember your comment, Vittorio, in the .xxx debate that no position in politics
is really neutral. Neither then is the position of suspending politics. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>(In light the above,
wonder what you mean by “</span></font>>Perhaps our future > role
should just be that of substance-neutral<font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> )”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We who are in these
spaces just for seeking structural changes in favours of the disadvantaged
people are not going to agree to suspend politics. That’s our main job
here...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>About the present effectiveness
of the IGC, we all have our concerns and hopes…Jeremy listed all those
things which were discussed/ adopted here first and then taken up at by the IGF…
we are doing fine on adopting common positions. We set up a four part agenda
for the IGF and we are having workshops on all the four. We have an IGC sponsored
and conducted workshop for the first tie at the IGC, and we expect to be able
to raise the level of this workshop on ‘IGF mandate’ to become an
annual feature. There are many other things we can quote….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>So for those – Jeanette,
Wolfgang and Vittorio, in recent emails – who are asking us to distrust
our own involvement with power (a new suggestion I must say in light our strong
flirtations with it during WSIS) and seek suspension of politics in order to
perfect the processes for some future use, I must also tell that we may be
killing (I know I am repeating it from an earlier email) an important global governance
innovation which provides a important role for civil society, which we won
after some struggle (also due to some external conditions). By abdicating at
this moment, do we think the processes will wait for us to take up positions of
influence in them… The cast for the IGF is being set now, and we need to
see what gains can be wrested NOW, and not wait till the structures are set and
we handed our portion. If we need to carve out positions of influence for CS we
need to work now… <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>And on whose behalf
would we take the decision to suspend politics and not represent any
substantive views…there is some kind of de facto representation that IGC
has for the wider global CS which would trust that we keep some general CS perspectives
and interests in mind – carving positions of substantive influence for the
CS constituency is definitely one of them. As I/ we trust similarly CS actors involved
in other arenas which affect us, but for which we may not have time/specialization,
like WIPO, environment, peace and disarmament, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I know we have some deep
differences in the IGC, but these can only be overcome by open discussion….
That’s why I took the cue form your email about what ‘threatens the
internet community’ and sought an open and frank discussion on it….
Equally people should seek explanations of what may happen if we do too close an
involvement with some governments and how it impacts short and long term CS
interests…. Abdication, I repeat, will itself be a political move. And I don’t
agree to it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Parminder </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> -----Original Message-----</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu]</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:39 PM</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jeanette Hofmann</st1:PersonName></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Cc: Parminder</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Subject: [governance] Civil society and IGC role at the IGF</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jeanette Hofmann</st1:PersonName> ha
scritto:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Hi,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > at this state of things I would argue very much against any
formal</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > decision making authority for the MAG. We are still in a
state of</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > experimenting with multi-stakeholder processes. For many
governments it</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > is not easy to deal with a membership so heterogeneous in
terms of</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > authority and legitimacy. Even to acknowledge each other can
be a</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > challenge. Processes such as WGIG or the MAG need a protected
space in</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > order to evolve. No decision-making power is one element of
this</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > protection.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> ></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Another aspect: On this list I have repeatedly argued against
any</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > decision-making authority for civil society in binding
international</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > policy processes. Unless there are formal processes in place
that</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > specify on whose behalf we participate in decision-making I
think we</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > simply lack legitimacy to do so.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> I agree with you on this. But I also agree with you on the
previous</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> point - even civil society needs a "protected space" in
which it can</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> evolve credible procedures for internal decision-making, and
especially</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> picking representatives. Such representatives should initially not
have</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> any real role, but then, if the system works, they could have a
bit more</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> of it - for example, be members of an AG which has a
certain (limited)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> steering role for the IGF process.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> In general, and also as a caucus co-coordinator, I see a pattern
of, er,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> "dialogue" between AG members (representatives) and
caucus membership</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (constituents) that I've seen in other places, e.g. the At Large,
both</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> from the membership and from the representative side. The
membership</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> feels frustrated because the representatives aren't sharing each
and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> every detail of what they see, and will in some cases (for example</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> because there is no time to consult) act on their own. The</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> representatives feel frustrated because they usually post early
calls</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> for input that go ignored, and then, at or after the deadline,
members</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> complain that they didn't have opportunities to provide input. Reality</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> is that this relationship is complex, and is made more complex by
the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> fact that we're all very busy, very passionate, very bright, and
very</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> egocentric. So I would suggest that rather than having exchanges
(e.g.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> see the one between Adam and Parminder) on who is the fault if
this</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> channel of communication isn't always effective, we focus to use
it</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> whenever there is momentum to do so.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> However, in the specific case of the IGC, I see it harder and
harder to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> think that we can have common positions on substance. Perhaps our
future</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> role should just be that of substance-neutral and all-welcoming
venue</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> for (s)electing civil society members of the AG - then let them
follow</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> their views, and confirm/sack them according to their performance
and to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> how much we collectively agree with what they say. It might be
easier</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> and more effective than trying to agree on complex collective</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> statements, especially on issues where we know we differ a lot,
every</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> two months.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> --</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> --------> finally with a new website at
http://bertola.eu/ <--------</span></font></p>
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