<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Hi Norbert et al,<br><br>I agree with the views expressed here, in short, on making technology accessible to all regardless of location, income and ability or disability. However there are many constraints in achieving this. In the developing world, what does a funder or government spend money on - malaria nets or internet access? To name just one issue. Safe drinking water, child poverty, sanitation, disease, infrastructure such as roads, railways, airports?<br><br>This is reflected in the UN's 8 Millennium Development Goals. These are:<br>Goal 1: Eradicate Extreme Hunger and Poverty<br>Goal 2: Achieve Universal Primary Education<br>Goal 3: Promote Gender Equality and Empower Women<br>Goal 4: Reduce Child Mortality<br>Goal 5: Improve Maternal Health<br>Goal 6: Combat HIV/AIDS, Malaria and other
diseases<br>Goal 7: Ensure Environmental Sustainability<br>Goal 8: Develop a Global Partnership for Development.<br><br><span>See <a target="_blank" href="http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/">http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/</a></span><br><br>You could argue technology fits within goal 8, but it's a low priority. Even Bill Gates has seen that the issues raised in the 8 goals above is more important than technology. So a business alliance, while laudable, is going to be difficult to get to work when the essentials are in other areas.<br><br>Do we support the development of technology in the developing world, but people die who, if the money was spent on the above goals might have lived? Of course, we make all sorts of decisions and they all have costs in other areas. The chocolate bar, the flight to visit my parents, the coffee... the money purchasing all these things, it can be argued could go to better use.<br><br>I don't have an answer. There
are many views and maybe there are many right ones. Maybe talking to an organisation such as The Gates and/or Ford Foundations or others working towards the above goals could give guidance on how support can be given in the area of technology. Who knows, they may like the project and give money!<br><br>Cheers<br>David<br><div><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Norbert Bollow <nb@bollow.ch><br>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com<br>Cc: allies@QuitBabylon.com; IDC-ICT-Taskforce@yahoogroups.com; AdHoc_IDC@yahoogroups.com<br>Sent: Thursday, 9 August, 2007 11:38:29 PM<br>Subject: Re: [governance] Fundamentally broken design of society<br><br><div>Linda Misek-Falkoff <ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br>> hope I read correctly that the concept of a broken
system holds forth the<br>> hope and vision that either it was once whole, or can be brought into being<br>> [more] whole.<br><br>Yes, precisely: As long as I thought about the matter as "a social<br>problem" I had little if any confidence of actually being able to do<br>anything about it. But when I read that word "broken", that was<br>helpful, to me at least, to inspire me towards more contructive lines<br>of thought. If something is broken, it can usually be fixed or<br>replaced.<br><br>Now, while the thought "fix it or replace it" cannot be applied to<br>society in any reasonably way, it can be applied to rules of conduct,<br>legal rules, and computer software, all of which have significant<br>influence on how society evolves. For example, when a company that<br>creates and popularizes a new technology has neglected to get that<br>technology evaluated with regard to its effects on people
with<br>disabilities, certainly justice would demand that there should be a<br>legal liability connected to any resulting "disabling" or<br>marginalizing effect on people with disabilities.<br><br>Unfortunately this kind of legal change is difficult to achieve in<br>any country, and even harder to achieve internationally, and on top of<br>that, probably quite a few such changes would be needed in order to<br>really fix what I see as overall brokenness in the system of legal<br>rules and how they are applied.<br><br>However there is another path, which seems much more promising to me:<br>Namely, to try creating a subsystem of the overall economy, by means<br>of designing an attractive and fair set of rules by means of which<br>the subsystem of the economy would function. My inspiration for this<br>idea is to a large extent the "social hack" approach of Richard<br>Stallman's founding of the Free Software movement, which was<br>successful
precisely because it was sufficient for success to get<br>support from a significant number of people who were willing and<br>interested in doing the right thing, it was not necessary to get<br>consent or acceptance from anyone else.<br><br>The fundamental idea that I want to pursue is to focus on empowerment:<br><br>--> What does it take to fully empower those people who are currently<br> restricted from fully benefiting from ICT because of some kind of<br> digital divide?<br><br>I expect that discussing this question will lead to collecting some<br>set of principles (or sets of principles) that will be supportive of<br>empowerment, and that will help prevent those kinds of disempowerment<br>that are possible to prevent.<br><br>Then we can discuss how to form some kind of alliance (I'm thinking<br>of something like a business alliance, but not restricted to<br>businesses only) to support each other while
pursuing this set of<br>goals. This alliance would be the "social hack" / "movement" that<br>can perhaps somehow follow the example of the Free Software movement.<br><br>I have set up a discussion mailing list for these matters at<br><a target="_blank" href="http://quitbabylon.com/mailman/listinfo/allies">http://quitbabylon.com/mailman/listinfo/allies</a><br>and I would like to invite everyone who is interested in this set of<br>topics to join me there.<br><br>Greetings,<br>Norbert.<br><br><br>-- <br>Norbert Bollow <nb@bollow.ch> <a target="_blank" href="http://Norbert.ch">http://Norbert.ch</a><br>President of the Swiss Internet User Group SIUG <a target="_blank" href="http://SIUG.ch">http://SIUG.ch</a><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a
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