Robert,<br>you sound like Mr. Muguet spoke of the bureau on behalf of IGC: was that the case? if so, how is this possible?<br><br>Mawaki<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/31/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mr. Robert Guerra
</b> <<a href="mailto:lists@privaterra.info">lists@privaterra.info</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0; margin-right: 0; margin-bottom: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-left: 0.80ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex">
The bureau proposal was raised, by Francis Muget who is subscribed to<br>the list but not too active a participant.<br><br>Both Francis and I were members of the former WSIS Civil Society<br>Bureau (CSB). Francis was then, and still is now a strong believer in
<br>the structure and the benefits it might bring. I , and many others on<br>this list, strongly disagree that such a structure would be<br>beneficial . It fact, for many of us, it would not recognize the<br>novel structure and evolution of IG discussions at the IGF.
<br><br>My personal view is that a bureau is a construct that does replicate<br>well into the current IGF discussions. It would be a step backwards ,<br>at least for CS. Worse still, it might likely play into many govts<br>
efforts to use key civil society players as pawns for their own agenda.<br><br>The rough consensus view for days, if not weeks proceeding the IGF<br>consultation made it quite clear that the caucus position was not<br>supportive of a bureau type structure. That position should of held.
<br>Clearly it did not. This is most unfortunate. The lesson is clear, we<br>are not following well known models of consultation, engagement and<br>policy development processes used in other IG related spaces such as<br>
the ones McTim mentions .<br><br>This caucus / list perhaps needs to revisit if in fact we are<br>following our so cherished bottom-up approach when we take positions<br>and/or make statements at key physical meetings. What is done, is
<br>done. As a recommended course forward might I suggest that key<br>positions and issues - be decided and discussed in advance of future<br>consultations. Positions identified as key and/or strategic would be<br>firm, and not subject to change during the physical meeting proper.
<br><br><br><br>regards,<br><br>Robert<br>---<br>Robert Guerra <<a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org">rguerra@privaterra.org</a>><br>Managing Director, Privaterra<br>Tel +1 416 893 0377<br><br><br><br>On 31-May-07, at 9:18 AM,
<a href="mailto:yehudakatz@mailinator.com">yehudakatz@mailinator.com</a> wrote:<br><br>> Where did the Bureau ëideaí come from ???<br>><br>> If the ëbureau ideaí did not come from the IGC [Internet<br>> Governance Caucus],
<br>> {Obviously by all accounts it *was-not* Paraminder, the idea was<br>> circulating<br>> ëbeforeí Paraminder made clarifications.}<br>><br>> Then from whom was the idea interjected ???<br>><br>> -
<br>><br>> ëALLí (All of whom were present) of had came for a reason (a<br>> purpose).<br>><br>> Paraminder, did a fine job of both: advocating and defending the<br>> positions<br>> discussed on this list.
<br>><br>> -<br>><br>> Tell us, WHO injected the idea, because ëSomeoneí in the room did.<br>><br>> [Hummm? ñ sympathetic ITU personnel perhaps Ö very very intresting]<br>><br>> --<br>> ____________________________________________________________
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