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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>></span></font>And I just pointed out
to the facts, which you don't like. They are not bad facts, they are just
facts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Veni, I like you spirit of inquiry… But please also see our
desire to discuss ICANN at the IGF in the same light…I am simply unable
to understand why some people here are bent on seeing our right to seek a discussion
on an important global governance body at IGF as a declaration of hostility
against that organization. When one is in public life one has to submit to the
public’s probing… All governments, even the best ones, do….
And there is always a healthy tension between those who hold representative power
(ICANN does as a global governance body) and its constituencies… It is
not unique to ICANN. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We are as keen to discuss WTO, WIPO, ITU, UNDP etc (my group discusses
all of them a lot)…. and, to make what I do a part of it, I will be very
keen to participate in a process that seeks greater accountability and
transparency of NGOs and sets standards for it (I think such a process is badly
needed if we are to establish greater credibility) ….. So, can you explain
to me why ICANN, or people speaking for it, are making so much of a simple
request to have a main session discuss ICANN…. I understand, the response
here will be, ICANN isnt important enough for a main session, there are other
issues…. Frankly, I find this argument so specious that is isnt worth refuting
it. I know people who have earlier held that development etc are not really IG
issues now wanting that issue discussed as more important than ICANN. Doesn’t
such a big constituency which often discuses ICANN (including this group, whose
such proclivity was rightly identified by Kieren) even have a right to put it
on the main agenda…. And were all groups and constituents at WSIS with
its strong ICANN undercurrents in IG discussions plainly stupid people (even,
as some may say, if it was mainly about ITU / UN trying to take over ICANN, it
still attests to the importance of the ICANN issue)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>And even if someone really thinks ICANN isn’t important enough,
why would some invest so much energy into refutation… That’s beyond
me. I think there is a stronger politics working behind this, which may (even)
be legitimate, but which, in case it is legitimate, should identify itself and
its logic and motivations clearly. That would be worth discussing….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So, lets leave this confrontation behind, and agree to work together to
improve our governance systems… Let ICANN have a lot of time (of a main session)
to present its point of view, and others have the time they are asking for to
discuss ICANN as well… <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
venimarkovski@gmail.com [mailto:venimarkovski@gmail.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Veni
Markovski</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:00
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>;
Milton Mueller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City> and the $ 175,000</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Eh, Milton, <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City>... <br>
There's so much grief in today's world...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 5/14/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Milton
Mueller</span></b> <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">
mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:</span></font></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Veni, $87,500 per year for two years = what? Can you do the arithmetic?<br>
<br>
The "two" grants you refer to are one and the same. You made it sound
as <br>
if we were getting 87.5k + another 170k. You are off by 50% not 3%. And<br>
you were flat wrong to say we didn't identify the source, because it's<br>
the same Ford grant that was publicly announced. So I'm still waiting <br>
for a retraction.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Let me try to type it again (copy & paste, and btw, if I have said, as you
wrongully quote me, 87.5 + 170K, I would have been off not with 50% but with
approx. 200 % as 100% of 87.5 = another 87.5). And quite frankly, seeing how
you continue to not admit you made a mistake, I don't expect you to beg my
pardon....<br>
<br>
>where it says that <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City>
has received $ 87,500 from the Ford Foundation for that<br>
>project, but nothing about the rest of the $ 170,000 rumoured to have been
awarded<br>
>to the project only by the Ford, and nothing about other donors? <br>
<br>
So, I am not a native-English speaker, and I could be excused, when I make a
mistake, but here's how I read it, and you, as an English-native speaker,
probably would have read it the same, if you were not somewhat... I don't know
(afraid to publish a politically incorrect word here)...: <br>
<br>
" [<a href="http://syr.edu">syr.edu</a>] says <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City> has received $ 87.500...", but
there's no information about the rest of the $ 170.000 [rest = $ 82.500]...
awarded to the MIGP by the ford... [and are there other donors?]"
Obviously for someone like you, who knows everything around the IGP, you could
have said, "Oh, Veni, it's not $ 170K, it's $ 175K, and $ 87.5 is half of
this; the [<a href="http://syr.edu">syr.edu</a>] reports in the excel
spreadsheet you linked only the part of the funding for the 2006-2007, but the
actual grant is $ 175K. Instead, you wrote it as if the amount $ 170 K is made
by me. And I considered this as you saying I am a liar. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It's ok, everyone makes mistakes. Might be wise to be more careful when<br>
you pounce in public, though. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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You're right, everyone makes mistakes, including you (unlesss, of course, you
consider yourself a God, huh?) ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What was the point of this whole conversation, anyway? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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The point was that you said I am a liar. And I just pointed out to the facts,
which you don't like. They are not bad facts, they are just facts. <br>
<br>
veni<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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