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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Vittorio <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> Parminder ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> > (2) Call for a forum
within IGF to discuss ICANN – to have ICANN<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> > interface with and be accountable to the many
constituencies (which by<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> > far makes the majority of the world’s
population) which cant access its<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> > present structures.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> Just for clarification - which are the "many
constituencies that can't<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>> access its present structures"? (Vittorio) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I did give a clue. ” the majority of the world’s
population “…… But let me explain. <font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>(</span></font>Apologies, if it a lengthy response. I
don’t want to give snappy replies, so I will go into some detail. Since
you have invited me to attend ICANN meetings, I must give good reasons why I,
and others of the constituencies I refer to, may not be particularly inclined
to do so.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Exclusion is a very complex process and operates in a number
of ways. One way is to judge it through its results – I don’t see anyone
in ICANN – or anyone interacting with ICANN - who could be seen as
representing (or speaking for) disadvantaged people from developing countries
(this could be called the development constituency, for the purpose of the
present conversation). It could either be because ICANN’s functions do
not impact these people, which I hope you do not believe. Or that these people
are excluded from accessing ICANN policy making structures. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Other than to judge it in this direct way, as I said,
exclusion is a very complex process. But, I will try to quickly summarize some points
on what makes ICANN inaccessible to these people. I don’t want to give
snappy replies, so I will go into some detail.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ICANN
proceeds from ideological principles which are alien to these people, and
not acceptable to them for a global governance body. It starts with a
private sector nomenclature which doesn’t mean the same to these
people as it means to ICANNists, and this vocabulary isn’t the
practice at global governance bodies. It goes on to its view of the world
as a marketplace (and not much else), and to its predominant catering to
corporate interests. Its mission and core values speak about the value of
competition but forgets about that of collaboration (despite it, people
have shown the unprecedented possibilities of collaboration on the
Internet), it speaks about markets but avoids terms like publics and
commons…. ICANN zealously upholds IPR but hasn’t done anything
to promote universal access to knowledge. People know which places will
welcome them, and which to avoid. No one declares exclusion. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Typical
governance structures try to over-represent interests that need special
protection, and build strong systems to minimize influence of vested
interests that already dominate and could skew the processes their way. This
is the essence of the principle of equity. ICANN seems to actively
encourage the latter. There are good amount of elements in ICANN of working
as a professional association of a particular trade which does everything
to maximize its membership’s interests (which have an ever present
tendency to go against wider public interest). The development constituency
is very wary of such ‘privatized governance’ and it has seen
its ill-effects in many social sectors… They aren’t willing to
be party to new forms of such governance which can be trend-setting for
the information society. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ICANN
hides its public policy impacts and tries to present itself as a technical
coordination body. Now, these people (the development constituency), I
refer to, and those who speak for them, are not techno-fascinated and are
NOT interested in technical management. They do not want to be in a body
which says, well, there isnt any public policy work that we do. But we all
know the public policy impact of ICANN’s functions. I am very clear
that the public policy implications of ICANN’s work can be separated
from the technical functions and presented in socio-political language of
their real content, which, in case of the impact on these excluded people
I refer to, will be presented in a way they can connect to. But it
doesn’t serve ICANN to do so. It seem to think that its survival in
its present form depends on underplaying (and for this purpose
camouflaging in technical terms/ discourse) its public policy impact. This
doesn’t help participation from other than a charmed circle of
insiders.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ICANN
invents and drives a discourse which aids self-preservation. For instance,
it speaks of its accountability to the ‘global internet
community’. Many times on this list I have requested anyone to
clarify the meaning of this term to me. Whether it involves all those who
in some ways are internet professionals (including internet businesses),
whereby it becomes a trade body, or all those who use the Internet, or all
those who are impacted by the Internet (which is practically, everyone in
this world). One can’t associate with an organization which
doesn’t clarify its legitimate constituency. The development constituency
works with and for people who may still not be big users of the Internet
(if at all), but Internet polices affect them in important ways, including
as a set of significant possibilities to change power equations that at
present dis-empowers them. One is not sure in interacting with ICANN if one
is siding with an insider group which doesn’t consider the outsider
group as its constituency. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Through
its individuation of its constituency, and not taking into account that people
are organized in various social forms which are as relevant as their
individual identities (no doubt done to avoid governments staking the
claim to be representing their people) ICANN is able to actively avoid
participation of most people. They are increasingly allowing governments
in under pressure, but what about others….. Not willing to be
discussed at IGF, and not facing those people who cannot access ICANN
structures is a further link in, and proof of, this process of exclusion.
ICANN just doesn’t speak the language of these people I am talking
about, and the two sides have a good distance to travel before they set
into a meaningful interaction….. Who is supposed to make the effort?
And this is the final test of inclusion/ exclusion. Inclusion
doesn’t happen by making self-righteous claims, it happens through
an active outreach to constituencies which may feel as outsiders and/or
neglected. Does ICANN do it? For starters, they can have a session of
interaction<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>s</span></font> at the
IGF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>These were some points that c<font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>o</span></font>me to my mind in describing ICANN’s
inaccessibility for some important constituencies… I must say here that I
have no doubt that ICANN does some very important global work, and many at
ICANN are trying to improve the world in all possible ways. What I mean to
stress here is that they need to look out to the larger world with a more open
and welcoming mind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> -----Original Message-----</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu]</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:44 PM</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>;
Parminder</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Subject: Re: [governance] .xxx. igc and igf</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Parminder ha scritto:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > (2) Call for a forum within IGF to
discuss ICANN – to have ICANN</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > interface with and be accountable to the many constituencies
(which by</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > far makes the majority of the world’s population) which
cant access its</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > present structures.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Just for clarification - which are the "many constituencies
that can't</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> access its present structures"? There are at least a couple
of places</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> where civil society groups can become involved in ICANN.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> I think that it might be more productive to actually involve more
CS</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> folks in ICANN, than just try to discuss ICANN at the IGF (even if
you</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> succeeded in winning the resistence to that, what would happen
after the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> discussion? I really don't see feasible any political scenario in
which</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> ICANN would take directions from the IGF.). At the last ICANN
meeting,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> between known faces scattered in corridors, there were talks of a
fixed</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> civil society meeting on the last day of every ICANN meeting -
that</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> might be a good point to start, for example.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> --</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> --------> finally with a new website at
http://bertola.eu/ <--------</span></font></p>
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