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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Parminder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As a member of an ALS from a developing country, we are one of
several groups that have recently joined ICANN via the ALAC and its Regional
Organisations. They are still very very new, but we are testing to see how this
can work for us. To us, the RALO is an organization that can take our issues to
ICANN, and explain ICANN’s sometimes confusing policies and processes to our constituents
so that we can then create our input to ICANN. I’m a member of LACRALO, which
is about 3 months old. So we will see.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you are interested, there’s APRALO for Asia-Pacific, and you
can join; talk to Izumi about it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jacqueline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Parminder
[mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; 'Vittorio Bertola'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] .xxx. igc and igf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Vittorio
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
Parminder ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
> (2) Call for a forum within IGF to discuss ICANN –
to have ICANN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
> interface with and be accountable to the many constituencies (which by<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
> far makes the majority of the world’s population) which cant access its<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
> present structures.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
Just for clarification - which are the "many constituencies that can't<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
access its present structures"? (Vittorio) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
did give a clue. ” the majority of the world’s population “…… But let me
explain. <span style='color:navy'>(</span>Apologies, if it a lengthy response.
I don’t want to give snappy replies, so I will go into some detail. Since you
have invited me to attend ICANN meetings, I must give good reasons why I, and
others of the constituencies I refer to, may not be particularly inclined to do
so.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Exclusion
is a very complex process and operates in a number of ways. One way is to judge
it through its results – I don’t see anyone in ICANN – or anyone interacting with
ICANN - who could be seen as representing (or speaking for) disadvantaged
people from developing countries (this could be called the development
constituency, for the purpose of the present conversation). It could either be
because ICANN’s functions do not impact these people, which I hope you do not
believe. Or that these people are excluded from accessing ICANN policy making
structures. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Other
than to judge it in this direct way, as I said, exclusion is a very complex
process. But, I will try to quickly summarize some points on what makes ICANN
inaccessible to these people. I don’t want to give snappy replies, so I will go
into some detail.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;text-autospace:none'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ICANN proceeds
from ideological principles which are alien to these people, and not
acceptable to them for a global governance body. It starts with a private
sector nomenclature which doesn’t mean the same to these people as it
means to ICANNists, and this vocabulary isn’t the practice at global
governance bodies. It goes on to its view of the world as a marketplace
(and not much else), and to its predominant catering to corporate
interests. Its mission and core values speak about the value of
competition but forgets about that of collaboration (despite it, people
have shown the unprecedented possibilities of collaboration on the
Internet), it speaks about markets but avoids terms like publics and
commons…. ICANN zealously upholds IPR but hasn’t done anything to promote
universal access to knowledge. People know which places will welcome them,
and which to avoid. No one declares exclusion. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;text-autospace:none'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Typical
governance structures try to over-represent interests that need special
protection, and build strong systems to minimize influence of vested
interests that already dominate and could skew the processes their way.
This is the essence of the principle of equity. ICANN seems to actively
encourage the latter. There are good amount of elements in ICANN of
working as a professional association of a particular trade which does
everything to maximize its membership’s interests (which have an ever
present tendency to go against wider public interest). The development
constituency is very wary of such ‘privatized governance’ and it has seen
its ill-effects in many social sectors… They aren’t willing to be party to
new forms of such governance which can be trend-setting for the
information society. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-autospace:none'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;text-autospace:none'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ICANN hides its
public policy impacts and tries to present itself as a technical
coordination body. Now, these people (the development constituency), I
refer to, and those who speak for them, are not techno-fascinated and are
NOT interested in technical management. They do not want to be in a body
which says, well, there isnt any public policy work that we do. But we all
know the public policy impact of ICANN’s functions. I am very clear that
the public policy implications of ICANN’s work can be separated from the
technical functions and presented in socio-political language of their
real content, which, in case of the impact on these excluded people I
refer to, will be presented in a way they can connect to. But it doesn’t
serve ICANN to do so. It seem to think that its survival in its present
form depends on underplaying (and for this purpose camouflaging in
technical terms/ discourse) its public policy impact. This doesn’t help
participation from other than a charmed circle of insiders.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;text-autospace:none'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ICANN invents
and drives a discourse which aids self-preservation. For instance, it
speaks of its accountability to the ‘global internet community’. Many
times on this list I have requested anyone to clarify the meaning of this
term to me. Whether it involves all those who in some ways are internet
professionals (including internet businesses), whereby it becomes a trade
body, or all those who use the Internet, or all those who are impacted by
the Internet (which is practically, everyone in this world). One can’t
associate with an organization which doesn’t clarify its legitimate
constituency. The development constituency works with and for people who
may still not be big users of the Internet (if at all), but Internet
polices affect them in important ways, including as a set of significant
possibilities to change power equations that at present dis-empowers them.
One is not sure in interacting with ICANN if one is siding with an insider
group which doesn’t consider the outsider group as its constituency. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;text-autospace:none'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Through its
individuation of its constituency, and not taking into account that people
are organized in various social forms which are as relevant as their
individual identities (no doubt done to avoid governments staking the
claim to be representing their people) ICANN is able to actively avoid
participation of most people. They are increasingly allowing governments
in under pressure, but what about others….. Not willing to be discussed at
IGF, and not facing those people who cannot access ICANN structures is a
further link in, and proof of, this process of exclusion. ICANN just
doesn’t speak the language of these people I am talking about, and the two
sides have a good distance to travel before they set into a meaningful
interaction….. Who is supposed to make the effort? And this is the
final test of inclusion/ exclusion. Inclusion doesn’t happen by making
self-righteous claims, it happens through an active outreach to
constituencies which may feel as outsiders and/or neglected. Does ICANN do
it? For starters, they can have a session of interaction<span
style='color:navy'>s</span> at the IGF.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>These were some points that c<span
style='color:navy'>o</span>me to my mind in describing ICANN’s inaccessibility
for some important constituencies… I must say here that I have no doubt that
ICANN does some very important global work, and many at ICANN are trying to
improve the world in all possible ways. What I mean to stress here is that they
need to look out to the larger world with a more open and welcoming mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:44 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; Parminder<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [governance] .xxx. igc and igf<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Parminder ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> > (2) Call for a forum
within IGF to discuss ICANN – to have ICANN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> > interface with and be accountable to the many
constituencies (which by<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> > far makes the majority of the world’s
population) which cant access its<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> > present structures.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> Just for clarification - which are the "many
constituencies that can't<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> access its present structures"? There are at
least a couple of places<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> where civil society groups can become involved in
ICANN.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> I think that it might be more productive to actually
involve more CS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> folks in ICANN, than just try to discuss ICANN at
the IGF (even if you<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> succeeded in winning the resistence to that, what
would happen after the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> discussion? I really don't see feasible any
political scenario in which<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> ICANN would take directions from the IGF.). At the
last ICANN meeting,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> between known faces scattered in corridors, there
were talks of a fixed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> civil society meeting on the last day of every ICANN
meeting - that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> might be a good point to start, for example.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> --<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>
vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> --------> finally with a new website at
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