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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Bertrand, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>>There is an important criteria to appreciate people's
comments : do they help everybody understand the issues or somebody's position
better ? do they introduce >principles that unify or principles that divide
? do they help shape a better system, that will be more just and more efficient
for everybody ? or will they generate >more anger and opposition ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yours is a very constructive approach, and
we should constantly remind us of these virtues and ideals. I think it can help
a lot if each of us does reflect on these issues while participating in this
debate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With your permission, I will add a few riders
to this though. There are always some important differences in adherences to values
of what may be construed as civility between the insiders and outsiders to a
dominating system. Many may call the Seattle WTO protests as uncivil, but to
many they represent a watershed in subaltern globalization and thus are almost
sacred. So we need to see the issues in terms of what may be called as weighted
neutrality. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>>Looking forward to substantive and constructive contributions on
the real question : what is the future institutional architecture of Internet
Governance ? and >where should it be discussed ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>These are just the main questions we should
be focusing on. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But it is important to understand the socio-political
context in which these questions become so important.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What is called the information society is
deeply impacting almost all social structures, and in times of such
far-reaching alignments it is natural that social power struggles intensify. It
is a natural phenomenon, and we need not self-delude ourselves about it. And
Internet is the key infrastructure of the information society (IS), and thus
its governance and polices have important implication in these power struggles.
That’s why IG is important to all of us. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>While these power struggles are going on
at multiple levels in the society (from, within the household to airline ticketing
industry) but it is easier to understand them through some generalizations…
At the very basic level it is a power struggle between ordinary individuals and
institutions that have amassed illegitimate power, and seek to use IS opportunities
to self-aggrandize. The state and the market are two important such institutions.
Civil society’s (CS) struggle is to ensure that this doesn’t happen,
and we are actually able to use IS opportunities to shift the balance in favor
of the ordinary individual. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All our discussions on censorship lie in
this realm of state versus individual power struggle in the IS. Incidentally,
there is less discussion on these forums on the market (market, not as Adam’s
ideal, but the market institutions as they exist) versus individual power equations.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Both these sets of struggles are
important, but for different placed people in differently placed societies one
may look more important than the other… To make matters worse, in the struggles
against governments markets often look like a good ally, and in struggle
against markets (as they exist) governments look like a good ally. All this
complicates issues very much, and make for a very political terrain. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And then there is another important power
struggle among different groups of people, and different societies (countries,
if you will) who are differently placed and are using the IS context for
collective aggrand©izement (how much ever individuals within societies may refuse
to acknowledge their complicity in this, they remain its beneficiaries and therefore
in some ways accomplices). I can describe many ways in which this is being done,
but I wont because I think it is widely debated and understood. The nature, governance
and policies of IG implicate this struggle as much as the others.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So when we address the essential questions
you speak about we need to identify the context in which different people and
different societies are placed vis a vis it. Such identification is important
as what you call as “</span></font>substantive and constructive
contributions on the real question’.<font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Whether my present inputs meets the criteria
of “</span></font>do they introduce principles that unify or principles
that divide ?” <font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am not so sure.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It depends on how we see it. If it
intensifies our adherence to our sectional interests, that it fails your criteria.
But if it helps to raise our consciousness, and discourse, towards commonly
accepted principles of fair play, justice (social, economic and all) and
equity, then it does. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Bertrand de La
Chapelle [mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 09, 2007 7:45
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName>;
yehudakatz@mailinator.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Re: In
the wake of RegisterFly, is ICANN taking flight?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Point well taken, Yehuda,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As you mention, I was indeed mistaken by the spacing and attributed the
words to you. So my reminder is rather directed a M. Hanson (or Hansen). :-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On substance, a very concrete element : the debate he refers to about
the legal status of ICANN - and in particular the recent mention in the
President's Strategic Report of the possible future evolution of its legal
status has nothing to do with the RegisterFly debacle. It very much predates it
and is on a completely different level. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The discussion is part of the delicate issue of the future
institutional architecture of Internet Governance that occupied so much of the
time of the WSIS. ICANN was incorporated as a non-profit <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> corporation in large part by lack
of any other truly international structure available, apart from
intergovernmental treaty organizations. Remember this was 1998. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The discussion today is about inventing the right type of
framework for truly multi-stakeholder governance mechanisms, as Wolfgang and I
have consistently argued. Examining existing models (such as the Red Cross or
other Fertilizer association) is only food for thought and not a direct
comparison in terms of functionalities. Nobody can claim he/she has the
ultimate solution. And we all have a joint responsibility to invent it. As
Saint Exupery said : "You cannot predict the future, but you can enable
it". <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The most difficult activity in the coming months and years will be to
separate the right questions from conspiracy theories; and to do so
without appearing to look down upon people who are coming into the
discussion without the ten-year background information on the debates that
already took place. in particular, could everybody accept that it is
possible to point ICANN's shortcomings and try to remedy them, and at the
same time recognize that people working in it and its board members in
particular are also trying to do good and are not just mischevious machiavelian
traitors to the cause of the global Internet Community ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I see the present debate heating up with a mixture of attraction and
fear : attraction because such discussions are long overdue and it is
worth having them : the underlying issues are essential; but fear also because
common sense can be easily overcome by righteous passions and mutual respect
is rapidly lost in the process. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There is an important criteria to appreciate people's
comments : do they help everybody understand the issues or somebody's position
better ? do they introduce principles that unify or principles that divide ? do
they help shape a better system, that will be more just and more efficient for
everybody ? or will they generate more anger and opposition ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The latter is easier. But let's give credit to those who try more
constructive approaches. This does not mean there should be no
debate, quite on the contrary, but just that it should pit ideas against ideas
rather than people against people. Unless these people are renouncing their
very humanity and, carried away by the seduction of their own arguments, become
mere instruments of the ideas they believe in. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Looking forward to substantive and constructive contributions on the
real question : what is the future institutional architecture of Internet
Governance ? and where should it be discussed ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Bertrand<br>
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____________________<br>
Bertrand de La Chapelle<br>
On a personnal basis and not as an official French position. <br>
Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32<br>
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"Le plus beau métier des hommes, c'est d'unir les hommes" Antoine de
Saint Exupéry <br>
("there is no better mission for humans than uniting humans") <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 4/9/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'><a
href="mailto:yehudakatz@mailinator.com">yehudakatz@mailinator.com</a></span></b>
<<a href="mailto:yehudakatz@mailinator.com">yehudakatz@mailinator.com</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Bertrand,<br>
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Just to clairify, the statements were from an artical, and are not my words.<br>
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<br>
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/05/icann_registerfly_litigation">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/05/icann_registerfly_litigation</a><br>
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I think the Author [Burke Hansen] a <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> citizen, realizes that ICANN was<br>
incorporated as " a nonprofit public benefit corporation ... " and <br>
<br>
His point is in regards to ICANN working under the status of an International<br>
Organization (Body), and using that status as an indemnifying shield, from<br>
legal culpability.<br>
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<br>
The comparison He made was with the International Red Cross and International <br>
Olympic Committee (IOC)<br>
<br>
re:<br>
<br>
"... Why would ICANN need Red Cross-style international legal protections
when<br>
it's not out saving refugees and inoculating babies like the Red Cross? The<br>
international organization that ICANN does have something in common with is one
<br>
famous for its opaqueness and arrogant lack of accountability, the<br>
International Olympic Committee (IOC). ICANN's not saving the world. Like it or<br>
not, ICANN is engaged in commerce, not charity work, although it is a <br>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>
nonprofit corporation. The IOC, too, is engaged in commerce, which<br>
is marketing the Olympics and extorting stadium facilities out of local<br>
communities. It would be unfortunate if ICANN were to take advantage of the <br>
RegisterFly mess as an excuse to lock itself away from public opinion the way<br>
the IOC has. ..."<br>
<br>
<br>
Being a US Non-Profit Organization, does not create an 'International Body', of<br>
which sanctioning of its "International" status ironically could be
done by the <br>
U.N.<br>
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