<div>And from here, support for the posted suggestions on topic progression -</div>
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<div>Structuring from : </div>
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<div>basic <em>descriptions</em> ... positive <em>evaluations</em> with comments on factors to strengthen or add (including candid but appreciative critique of what did not work & lessons learned) ... on to the future.
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<div>Best wishes, Linda.</div>
<div>Dr. L. D. Misek-Falkoff.<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Nnenna</b> <<a href="mailto:nne75@yahoo.com">nne75@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear all,<br><br>My apologies as I was among those travelling. I have read the text three times. I am in favor of mentioning ICANN.
<br><br>Vittorio, thanks. Here is my suggestion:<br><br>Divide the text into:<br><br> The opening - where you present the IGC<br> Athens - say the good, bad.<br> Rio - make recommendations<br><br> The IGF in general<br>
The elements are already there. I have a strong feeling that if you move them around, you will find it easier to cut off some parts and still retain the principle.<br><br>I do support the raising the fundraising issue. It does not in any way say that the secretariat is not doing its job. It reminds that the problem is still there.
<br><br>Best<br><br>Nnenna<br><br><br>Parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>Jeannette/ Vittorio<br><br>> I am also not happy with the order of the points made in the statement.
<br>> For me, one of the crucial points is that the IGF takes seriously all<br>> parts of the mandate. In the draft statement, this issue is mentioned<br>> only towards the bottom of page two. Im my view, this makes this issue
<br>> look less important than, for example the lunch break you mention on the<br>> first page.<br><br>I agree. I think the IGF mandate part can be taken higher up in the<br>document.... this wouldn't change the statement very substantively.
<br><br>> Some things I find unclear. For example, what do you mean by "more<br>> traditional plenary sessions"? Did we ever discuss this here? Without<br>> knowing what you mean by this, I cannot support it.
<br>><br>> I also don't know how you want to integrate the workshops with the main<br>> sessions of the IGF. After all, workshops were suggested bottom up, not<br>> top down.<br>><br><br>We can change the wording, but what is meant I think is regular serious
<br>plenaries that are in contact and sync with other proceedings. For example<br>to quote Carlos from a recent email.<br><br>" Several post-Athens contributions are worried about format as well as<br>content. My view is that we need a process in each meeting in which we
<br>arrive at thematic and procedural resolutions. Plenaries "moderated" (I<br>prefer to say "manipulated") by professional TV hosts do not work well, and<br>even scare some of the panelists (specially some of those whose native idiom
<br>is not English). We need thematic specialists as moderators, not "crowd<br>handling" specialists or showmen -- it seemed the purpose here was to keep<br>true debate dissolved into generalities." "In my view, we main focus should
<br>be on thematic workshops with the goal of presenting a resolution proposal<br>in the final plenary -- the main meetings would be shorter and would work<br>just as "seeds" for the workshops."<br><br><br>
> The sentence about funding I find a bit preposterous. Could we please<br>> delete it? (Trying to secure funding was one of the main activities of<br>> the secretariat. They must think we are kidding...)<br><br>
Since I proposed the part on funding, I must defend it. I am sure the<br>secretariat would have done their best on funding. But it is wrong to assume<br>that this statement is addressed to the secretariat. It is addressed to all
<br>stakeholders at the IGF. And there are those who need to help on funding,<br>but do not do so for political reasons. The funding issue is closely linked<br>to the issue of governance of IGF, as well of the possibility for the IGF to
<br>meet its full mandate.<br><br>> I would also suggest to delete the language about "narrow Internet<br>> Governance" as a topic for IGF. As far as I can see, there is no message<br>> in it.<br><br>Well, while I am for mentioning that ICANN issues should be discussed at
<br>IGF, because there is some conspiracy around that this issue be kept out, I<br>am not in favor of characterizing the 'ICANN oversight' issue as a narrow<br>Internet Governance issue. Because I think this oversight is often the thin
<br>side of the IG public policy wedge, therefore in essence not so narrow.<br>Vittorio can do some wordsmith-ing around it.<br><br>The above are for Vittorio's consideration, who may take the necessary<br>decisions on these relatively minor issues.
<br><br>Parminder<br><br>________________________________________________<br>Parminder Jeet Singh<br>IT for Change, Bangalore<br>Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities<br>Tel: (+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890
<br>Fax: (+91-80) 4146 1055<br><a href="http://www.ITforChange.net">www.ITforChange.net</a><br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Jeanette Hofmann [mailto:<a href="mailto:jeanette@wz-berlin.de">jeanette@wz-berlin.de
</a>]<br>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:33 AM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Vittorio Bertola<br>> Subject: Re: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL - Statement for the IGF
<br>> consultations<br>><br>> Hi Vittorio,<br>><br>> thank you for drafting the statement.<br>><br>> Personally I think it is too epic, I prefer short and concise<br>> statements. If we keep it short, chances are better that people read it.
<br>><br>> I am also not happy with the order of the points made in the statement.<br>> For me, one of the crucial points is that the IGF takes seriously all<br>> parts of the mandate. In the draft statement, this issue is mentioned
<br>> only towards the bottom of page two. Im my view, this makes this issue<br>> look less important than, for example the lunch break you mention on the<br>> first page.<br>><br>> Some things I find unclear. For example, what do you mean by "more
<br>> traditional plenary sessions"? Did we ever discuss this here? Without<br>> knowing what you mean by this, I cannot support it.<br>><br>> I also don't know how you want to integrate the workshops with the main
<br>> sessions of the IGF. After all, workshops were suggested bottom up, not<br>> top down.<br>><br>> The secretariat tried to merge workshops, not always successfully. One<br>> cannot really force organizers to merge or to implement the
<br>> multi-stakeholder principles, can one?<br>><br>> The sentence about funding I find a bit preposterous. Could we please<br>> delete it? (Trying to secure funding was one of the main activities of<br>> the secretariat. They must think we are kidding...)
<br>><br>> I would also suggest to delete the language about "narrow Internet<br>> Governance" as a topic for IGF. As far as I can see, there is no message<br>> in it.<br>><br>> jeanette<br>>
<br>><br>><br>> Vittorio Bertola wrote:<br>> > All,<br>> ><br>> > I am attaching the (expectedly) final version of our statement for<br>> > Tuesday, and launching a formal consensus call on it.
<br>> ><br>> > Please anyone who wishes to express consensus on the statement, or<br>> > anyone having strong objections to it, say so before Monday, 4pm UTC. (I<br>> > would ask people to live by the statement if they really do not have
<br>> > strong objections, all in all I think it reflects the discussion so<br>> far.)<br>> ><br>> > The only changes in this version, in respect to the one posted a few<br>> > hours ago, are Ken's note on the number of CS members (which became
<br>> > "about five" from "five or less") and two lines by Parminder on IGF<br>> > funding at the end of the first page (pretty neutral I'd say). Anyway, I<br>> > left all redlining in respect to version 1.
<br>> ><br>> > Separately, I am still asking people to state consensus or opposition<br>> > (if having a clear opinion) on the addition of the sentence "We think<br>> > that, as per comma (j) of the IGF mandate, the legal nature and working
<br>> > structure of ICANN should be among the matters discussed in Rio, as long<br>> > as this does not prevent the IGF from paying adequate attention to all<br>> > the other themes.", in replacement of "Inside civil society, there are
<br>> > different points of view about this matter;", in the second-last para.<br>> > This will shape another decision by the coordinators on Monday<br>> afternoon.<br>> ><br>> > Thanks,<br>
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